WOW!!! T F Tenney - "Let the Redeemed of the Lord DRESS SO"

[The Dean]

Originally Posted by crakjak

What is ridiculous is to equate holiness with outward adornment, holiness is inward. I know folks that know nothing of the type of outward adornment standards as described by TFT's sermon that are some of the holiest folks that I have ever known. When you isolate yourselves from all other Christians, it is easy to imagine that they are not holy, or honest, or pure in their relationship with God. These folks are modest in their lifestyles and apparel, however not to the extremes demanded by OP doctrine. You are missing what these other members of the Body of Christ provide when you declare that they are not holy, due to not meeting your standards, therefore we have no need of them.

1 Corinthians 12:14-20 (King James Version)

14For the body is not one member, but many.

15If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?

16And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?

17If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?

18But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.

19And if they were all one member, where were the body?

20But now are they many members, yet but one body.



Romans 12:3-5 (King James Version)

3For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

4For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:

5So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

Are you actually trying to imply that outward modesty has nothing to do with holiness? That borders on the insane! I have NEVER once in my entire lifetime declared that holiness was an outward only trait. I have my whole life defended that holiness on the outside is not enough.

However, to declare that what is on the outside has nothing to do with holiness is just as perverted as saying what is on the inside has nothing to do with holiness.

Please, if you want the pearl of great price you have to buy the entire field. It's not a situation where you choose either / or.

I honestly give you more credit than to think you honestly believe that what is outward doesn't affect holiness.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by The Dean

Are you actually trying to imply that outward modesty has nothing to do with holiness? That borders on the insane! I have NEVER once in my entire lifetime declared that holiness was an outward only trait. I have my whole life defended that holiness on the outside is not enough.

However, to declare that what is on the outside has nothing to do with holiness is just as perverted as saying what is on the inside has nothing to do with holiness.

Please, if you want the pearl of great price you have to buy the entire field. It's not a situation where you choose either / or.

I honestly give you more credit than to think you honestly believe that what is outward doesn't affect holiness.

Maybe we are talking past one another, I agree that inward holiness will effect the outward.

What I disagree with is that if a person's outward apparel and adornment doesn't meet a specific set of definitions then it means that that person is not holy.

I refuse to define one's holiness by outward appearance, because I do not know the individual's heart, nor their experience.

I remember the very day that I believe the Spirit of the Lord impressed me that it was not my responsibility to check the spiritual temperature of fellow believers base on their outward appearance. I can tell you it was an incredible load off my shoulders when I could just accept all people as valuable and precious in the sight of God and just treat them as such. Let the unadulterated Word of God by His Spirit do His work, stop adding opinion and tradition to it. If the Word without the OP lens does not convict of certain things it is ridiculous for me to try to do it for Him.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by The Dean

Are you actually trying to imply that outward modesty has nothing to do with holiness? That borders on the insane! I have NEVER once in my entire lifetime declared that holiness was an outward only trait. I have my whole life defended that holiness on the outside is not enough.

However, to declare that what is on the outside has nothing to do with holiness is just as perverted as saying what is on the inside has nothing to do with holiness.

Please, if you want the pearl of great price you have to buy the entire field. It's not a situation where you choose either / or.

I honestly give you more credit than to think you honestly believe that what is outward doesn't affect holiness.

While I understand what you are saying, I don't believe outward modesty has anything to do with holiness. It's two separate issues that can be joined together, however, I know lots of people who dress modestly that don't have any more holiness than any of my cats.

I do believe that lack of modesty can indicate lack of holiness, but they are still separate issues.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

While I understand what you are saying, I don't believe outward modesty has anything to do with holiness. It's two separate issues that can be joined together, however, I know lots of people who dress modestly that don't have any more holiness than any of my cats.

I do believe that lack of modesty can indicate lack of holiness, but they are still separate issues.

that is like saying cats have nothing to do with dander.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by Ferd

that is like saying cats have nothing to do with dander.

Cats have dander, but so do humans.

There are also cats who lack dander, but they are still cats.