Scummy Pot

mizpeh · #1 07-07-2007, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by deseret

You liberals need to listen to this message!

Scummy Pot -Verbal Bean

Maybe you will pray through.

I've tried to listen to his sermons but the sound quality is horrible. So I bought his books on prayer and the gifts of the Holy Spirit. The books are faith inspiring.

Sam · #2 07-07-2007, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

I've tried to listen to his sermons but the sound quality is horrible. So I bought his books on prayer and the gifts of the Holy Spirit. The books are faith inspiring.

I've read his book on prayer and gave my copy to my brother-in-law.
I've also read his book on the gifts of the Holy Spirit and his book titled "The Battlefield." The Scummy Pot sermon was in "The Battlefield." I've ordered a new copy of his book on prayer hoping to get to read it again.

I never met Verbal Bean or heard him but he evidently was quite a guy.

P.S. I don't agree with him on some of the standards stuff.

Trouvere · #3 07-07-2007, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

I've read his book on prayer and gave my copy to my brother-in-law.
I've also read his book on the gifts of the Holy Spirit and his book titled "The Battlefield." The Scummy Pot sermon was in "The Battlefield." I've ordered a new copy of his book on prayer hoping to get to read it again.

I never met Verbal Bean or heard him but he evidently was quite a guy.

P.S. I don't agree with him on some of the standards stuff.

right he would never go to prayer meeting in shorts.

#4 07-07-2007, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Trouvere

right he would never go to prayer meeting in shorts.

Amen

crakjak · #5 07-07-2007, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

I've read his book on prayer and gave my copy to my brother-in-law.
I've also read his book on the gifts of the Holy Spirit and his book titled "The Battlefield." The Scummy Pot sermon was in "The Battlefield." I've ordered a new copy of his book on prayer hoping to get to read it again.

I never met Verbal Bean or heard him but he evidently was quite a guy.

P.S. I don't agree with him on some of the standards stuff.

How do you get anything out of this without embracing the standards, VB was UUC on standards, without them you are a scummy pot.

Sam · #6 07-07-2007, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

How do you get anything out of this without embracing the standards, VB was UUC on standards, without them you are a scummy pot.

I read the book "The Battlefield" about a year ago.
It was about a "board run" church, with PCI doctrine and liberal standards.
A pastor brought in Verbal Bean to try to straighten things out.
There were some real problems in that church that needed correcting.
Several people left the church. These folks had been controlling things and their leaving was good for the church. The church wound up with a single pastor ruling and controlling everything. He took all the tithes and was accountable to nobody. I have to wonder if that didn't result in another bad situation but just to the opposite extreme. Yes, there were water and Spirit baptisms and the overall numbers increased but didn't they wind up with just a different set of problems?

crakjak · #7 07-07-2007, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

I read the book "The Battlefield" about a year ago.
It was about a "board run" church, with PCI doctrine and liberal standards.
A pastor brought in Verbal Bean to try to straighten things out.
There were some real problems in that church that needed correcting.
Several people left the church. These folks had been controlling things and their leaving was good for the church. The church wound up with a single pastor ruling and controlling everything. He took all the tithes and was accountable to nobody. I have to wonder if that didn't result in another bad situation but just to the opposite extreme. Yes, there were water and Spirit baptisms and the overall numbers increased but didn't they wind up with just a different set of problems?

That happened more than once, and the end result also was not good at all. I disagree with VB's approach and focus, one man control as you point out in not a cure all.

stmatthew · #8 07-07-2007, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

That happened more than once, and the end result also was not good at all. I disagree with VB's approach and focus, one man control as you point out in not a cure all.

May not be the cure all, but it is a more biblical approach than a board run church.

crakjak · #9 07-08-2007, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

May not be the cure all, but it is a more biblical approach than a board run church.

More biblical, what is that? Show us in the scripture the "pastor" run church??? The biblical model is elder led, however the church today cannot endure or assimilate the true biblical model for the most part. Therefore it defaults to the dictator model, and by doing so the church body is not equipped to do the work of God, because the equipping is lopsided.

Disciple4life · #10 04-01-2014, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

I read the book "The Battlefield" about a year ago.
It was about a "board run" church, with PCI doctrine and liberal standards.
A pastor brought in Verbal Bean to try to straighten things out.
There were some real problems in that church that needed correcting.
Several people left the church. These folks had been controlling things and their leaving was good for the church. The church wound up with a single pastor ruling and controlling everything. He took all the tithes and was accountable to nobody. I have to wonder if that didn't result in another bad situation but just to the opposite extreme. Yes, there were water and Spirit baptisms and the overall numbers increased but didn't they wind up with just a different set of problems?

Bump

I am reading The Battlefield right now. All I can say is WOW!