Show Me the Money

crakjak · #1 07-09-2007, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Has anyone besides me noticed the ONLY worry seems if the preacher has too much NEVER if he has too little????????????????????????

Most pastors I have known have sacrificed for years and done without and their families did without and was glad to do it for the Kingdom and no one ever fusses about the suits-shirts-dresses they bought at Goodwill, the retread tires on their cars, the fund raising their wives did. The jobs these pastors held down while trying to build a church. The puttting in of their last nickle to make sure a church bill was paid or an evangelist-missionary got a decent offering. How their car became the church bus. Some lived in the church building itself for a season.

But let the same man who laboured and struggled to bring a church to where it is financially strong-nice sanctuary-etc. And the man start to enjoy some of the fruit of his labour and he is a money hungry preacher looking out for number one. NOT trying to pat my self on the back but I have paid saints' rent-utility bills-car payments-paid for their children to go to youth camps. I don't know any saints that have done the same for other saints except in very rare cases.
But I am suppose to feel crooked or not a good steward if I buy a suit off the rack or my wife buys a new dress that really wasn't on sale, or my house is a decent home to live in? My car doors stay closed without baling wire?
I did not take the oath of poverty though I am willing to live on what God gives me no matter how less it is without complaint I have proved that to God and myself. But I also am going to be thankful and enjoy the good times God has let come my way. Remember ONE message or ONE church problem can change everything overnight.

Bro. there are plenty of situations where the tithe is into the hundreds of thousands of dollars, and even into millions of dollars. A church of 200-300 regular attenders will produce 500k to 1.5 million in tithe, so let's be honest enough to admit there is potential for excess. When I was an elder the pastor of the church received over 100K in salary, a new car, 1K per month of the very best medical insurance, retirement plan and virtually unlimited expense account, and a built-in 3% min. annual increase. I never once heard a complaint that he was receiving too little,

nor too much for that matter.

I know there are plenty of pastors that live on very limited incomes, but check their members they also struggle to make ends meet. No matter scripture does not support one man control, unaccountable to others.

SDG · #2 07-09-2007, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

Bro. there are plenty of situations where the tithe is into the hundreds of thousands of dollars, and even into millions of dollars. A church of 200-300 regular attenders will produce 500k to 1.5 million in tithe, so let's be honest enough to admit there is potential for excess. When I was an elder the pastor of the church received over 100K in salary, a new car, 1K per month of the very best medical insurance, retirement plan and virtually unlimited expense account, and a built-in 3% min. annual increase. I never once heard a complaint that he was receiving too little,

nor too much for that matter.

I know there are plenty of pastors that live on very limited incomes, but check their members they also struggle to make ends meet. No matter scripture does not support one man control, unaccountable to others.

That's bible ... yet some don't want any accountability .... no matter how some would want to twist and distort scripture .... the tithe was also for the widows and orphans and those struggling to make ends meet...

Jehoram · #3 07-09-2007, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

Bro. there are plenty of situations where the tithe is into the hundreds of thousands of dollars, and even into millions of dollars. A church of 200-300 regular attenders will produce 500k to 1.5 million in tithe, so let's be honest enough to admit there is potential for excess. When I was an elder the pastor of the church received over 100K in salary, a new car, 1K per month of the very best medical insurance, retirement plan and virtually unlimited expense account, and a built-in 3% min. annual increase. I never once heard a complaint that he was receiving too little,

nor too much for that matter.

I know there are plenty of pastors that live on very limited incomes, but check their members they also struggle to make ends meet. No matter scripture does not support one man control, unaccountable to others.

It is so hilarious to hear some posters who despise the idea of accountability in their lives call for ministerial accountability. Of course, I do not mean you specifically. I think the saints should show their W-2's and checking and savings account balances to the church board as well. It would be a good way for them to show they believe in accountability.

SDG · #4 07-09-2007, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Alter Ego

It is so hilarious to hear some posters who despise the idea of accountability in their lives call for ministerial accountability. Of course, I do not mean you specifically. I think the saints should show their W-2's and checking and savings account balances to the church board as well. It would be a good way for them to show they believe in accountability.

Get a reality check ... Altar Ego ... pastors are still considered self-employed and/ or employees of the church .... if a pastor rejects full disclosure to the church SOMETHING IS TERRIBLY WRONG.

Jehoram · #5 07-09-2007, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Get a reality check ... Altar Ego ... pastors are still considered self-employed and/ or employees of the church .... if a pastor rejects full disclosure to the church SOMETHING IS TERRIBLY WRONG.

Thats not what this thread is about. Its about folks being upset that a minister is blessed.

I totally agree with your statement though.

crakjak · #6 07-09-2007, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Alter Ego

It is so hilarious to hear some posters who despise the idea of accountability in their lives call for ministerial accountability. Of course, I do not mean you specifically. I think the saints should show their W-2's and checking and savings account balances to the church board as well. It would be a good way for them to show they believe in accountability.

You guys are UC only in standards, when it comes to money you are totally liberal in your lack of accountability. Such extreme reaction to a very simple and rational understanding, men need someone that can tell them "NO!"

The accountability is to an elder lead ministry team, of which the pastor is the first among equals. This is not a group of ungodly businessmen, they are ministers/servants to the body of Christ. A very small circle that is privy to the intimate details of the church's affairs, with an annual accounting report to the active membership.

SDG · #7 07-09-2007, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

You guys are UC only in standards, when it comes to money you are totally liberal in your lack of accountability. Such extreme reaction to a very simply and rational understanding, men need someone that can tell them "NO!"

The accountability is to an elder lead ministry team, of which the pastor is the first among equals. This is not a group of ungodly businessmen, they are ministers/servants to the body of Christ. A very small circle that is privy to the intimate details of the church's affairs, with an annual accounting report to the active membership.

CAN WE SAY MODERATION