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Originally Posted by mizpeh
Jroc...
Don't show me the money....show me the scriptures.
In Leviticus 27 where it discusses redeeming dedicated items, Jewish people had the opportunity to redeem the tithe with the monetary value of it, plus an additional 20 percent of that value. Money is not required from the Lord as a tithe, but rather, the required items are produce and livestock. Mizpeh, what does the Lord require today that is in an individual's possession and can be redeemed with money? Are tithers receiving wheat or corn in return for money, or a dedicated person, field or house? The problem is that Christians hand over money and call it a tithe...but as recorded in Leviticus 27:30-31, when an individual gives the priest money, that person receives something tangible in return with 20% interest.
Leviticus 27:30-31 - "'A tithe of everything from the land, whether grain from the soil or fruit from the trees, belongs to the LORD; it is holy to the LORD. If a man redeems any of his tithe, he must add a fifth of the value to it."
In Leviticus 27 where it discusses redeeming dedicated items, Jewish people had the opportunity to redeem the tithe with the monetary value of it, plus an additional 20 percent of that value. Money is not required from the Lord as a tithe, but rather, the required items are produce and livestock. Mizpeh, what does the Lord require today that is in an individual's possession and can be redeemed with money? Are tithers receiving wheat or corn in return for money, or a dedicated person, field or house? The problem is that Christians hand over money and call it a tithe...but as recorded in Leviticus 27:30-31, when an individual gives the priest money, that person receives something tangible in return with 20% interest.
Leviticus 27:30-31 - "'A tithe of everything from the land, whether grain from the soil or fruit from the trees, belongs to the LORD; it is holy to the LORD. If a man redeems any of his tithe, he must add a fifth of the value to it."
Brother, I think you got that a little mixed up. If someone redeemed their tithes they paid an extra 20%, not received an extra 20%.
Brother, I think you got that a little mixed up. If someone redeemed their tithes they paid an extra 20%, not received an extra 20%.
Rico that is the ignorance of these guys that is why it is a waste of time to discuss with them. They may be able to read a balance sheet but reading the Bible seems to be a problem. I have been over this issue on this same matter I am tired of it.
It reminds me years ago a man came by where I was pastoring in Kentucky he said pastor I think we should do as the early church. I said how is that? He said everyone sell everything they have and divide it. I said fine with me. He looked shocked he said you think that would be alright. I said sure. What are you gonna sell? He said I don't have anything to sell. I said well I guess we will have to wait until you have something to sell to do it.
He left confused.
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
Rico that is the ignorance of these guys that is why it is a waste of time to discuss with them. They may be able to read a balance sheet but reading the Bible seems to be a problem. I have been over this issue on this same matter I am tired of it.
It reminds me years ago a man came by where I was pastoring in Kentucky he said pastor I think we should do as the early church. I said how is that? He said everyone sell everything they have and divide it. I said fine with me. He looked shocked he said you think that would be alright. I said sure. What are you gonna sell? He said I don't have anything to sell. I said well I guess we will have to wait until you have something to sell to do it.
He left confused.
You have nothing to share from the bible on this matter. You conveniently claim the status quo...
Rico that is the ignorance of these guys that is why it is a waste of time to discuss with them. They may be able to read a balance sheet but reading the Bible seems to be a problem. I have been over this issue on this same matter I am tired of it.
It reminds me years ago a man came by where I was pastoring in Kentucky he said pastor I think we should do as the early church. I said how is that? He said everyone sell everything they have and divide it. I said fine with me. He looked shocked he said you think that would be alright. I said sure. What are you gonna sell? He said I don't have anything to sell. I said well I guess we will have to wait until you have something to sell to do it.
He left confused.
LOL...
That was wisdom, Elder.
Bet that dude didn't sleep at all that night. Had eyes open as big as saucers all night long. He probably kept saying to himself over and over again, "I can't believe that preacher said that to ME!"
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Originally Posted by Rico
Brother, I think you got that a little mixed up. If someone redeemed their tithes they paid an extra 20%, not received an extra 20%.
Yes, that is right...minus 20% interest....good catch!
The point being, the tithe was not money and there was an actual exchange going on here in this scripture between tithe and money....we dont see that in modern times.
Yes, that is right...minus 20% interest....good catch!
The point being, the tithe was not money and there was an actual exchange going on here in this scripture between tithe and money....we dont see that in modern times.
Well, their economy was different than ours. Ours is based on greenbacks. Everything is traded for money now. It wasn't like that back then. That is why I have never bought into this argument that because the tithe wasn't money back then that it shouldn't be money now.
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Originally Posted by Rico
Well, their economy was different than ours. Ours is based on greenbacks. Everything is traded for money now. It wasn't like that back then. That is why I have never bought into this argument that because the tithe wasn't money back then that it shouldn't be money now.
You've got this mixed up, bro....greenbacks existed back then (i.e. in the form of metals, silver, gold, etc.)...and a closer look into the Bible reveals that in OT times, not all had occupations related to farming...to infer that bartering was the only form of commerce in the Bible is simpy not supported.
Firstly, goods and services were not always purchased via bartering...secondly, there are many occupations in the OT unrelated to farming...thirdly, money was used quite often in OT times to pay wages as well as taxes. The main unit of currency in the OT times is the shekel. Scripture supporting money existed:
Genesis 23:15-16 "Listen to me, my lord; the land is worth four hundred shekels of silver, but what is that between me and you? Bury your dead." Abraham agreed to Ephron's terms and weighed out for him the price he had named in the hearing of the Hittites: four hundred shekels of silver, according to the weight current among the merchants."
You've got this mixed up, bro....greenbacks existed back then (i.e. in the form of metals, silver, gold, etc.)...and a closer look into the Bible reveals that in OT times, not all had occupations related to farming...to infer that bartering was the only form of commerce in the Bible is simpy not supported.
Firstly, goods and services were not always purchased via bartering...secondly, there are many occupations in the OT unrelated to farming...thirdly, money was used quite often in OT times to pay wages as well as taxes. The main unit of currency in the OT times is the shekel. Scripture supporting money existed:
Genesis 23:15-16 "Listen to me, my lord; the land is worth four hundred shekels of silver, but what is that between me and you? Bury your dead." Abraham agreed to Ephron's terms and weighed out for him the price he had named in the hearing of the Hittites: four hundred shekels of silver, according to the weight current among the merchants."
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