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Originally Posted by Rico
Brother, I think you got that a little mixed up. If someone redeemed their tithes they paid an extra 20%, not received an extra 20%.
Yes, that is right...minus 20% interest....good catch!
The point being, the tithe was not money and there was an actual exchange going on here in this scripture between tithe and money....we dont see that in modern times.
Yes, that is right...minus 20% interest....good catch!
The point being, the tithe was not money and there was an actual exchange going on here in this scripture between tithe and money....we dont see that in modern times.
Well, their economy was different than ours. Ours is based on greenbacks. Everything is traded for money now. It wasn't like that back then. That is why I have never bought into this argument that because the tithe wasn't money back then that it shouldn't be money now.
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Originally Posted by Rico
Well, their economy was different than ours. Ours is based on greenbacks. Everything is traded for money now. It wasn't like that back then. That is why I have never bought into this argument that because the tithe wasn't money back then that it shouldn't be money now.
You've got this mixed up, bro....greenbacks existed back then (i.e. in the form of metals, silver, gold, etc.)...and a closer look into the Bible reveals that in OT times, not all had occupations related to farming...to infer that bartering was the only form of commerce in the Bible is simpy not supported.
Firstly, goods and services were not always purchased via bartering...secondly, there are many occupations in the OT unrelated to farming...thirdly, money was used quite often in OT times to pay wages as well as taxes. The main unit of currency in the OT times is the shekel. Scripture supporting money existed:
Genesis 23:15-16 "Listen to me, my lord; the land is worth four hundred shekels of silver, but what is that between me and you? Bury your dead." Abraham agreed to Ephron's terms and weighed out for him the price he had named in the hearing of the Hittites: four hundred shekels of silver, according to the weight current among the merchants."
You've got this mixed up, bro....greenbacks existed back then (i.e. in the form of metals, silver, gold, etc.)...and a closer look into the Bible reveals that in OT times, not all had occupations related to farming...to infer that bartering was the only form of commerce in the Bible is simpy not supported.
Firstly, goods and services were not always purchased via bartering...secondly, there are many occupations in the OT unrelated to farming...thirdly, money was used quite often in OT times to pay wages as well as taxes. The main unit of currency in the OT times is the shekel. Scripture supporting money existed:
Genesis 23:15-16 "Listen to me, my lord; the land is worth four hundred shekels of silver, but what is that between me and you? Bury your dead." Abraham agreed to Ephron's terms and weighed out for him the price he had named in the hearing of the Hittites: four hundred shekels of silver, according to the weight current among the merchants."
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Originally Posted by Ferd
Show me in the bible where every specific item that should be tithed is outlined.
the bible speaks of increase. Money in our age is increase.
Many Christians think that the only type of of wealth or substance is money. This incorrect thinking, along with other inaccurate teachings on this subject, is the reason this passage is so highly misinterpreted by many believers today. The fact of the matter is, neither this verse nor any other Bible verse supports present day "tithes and offerings"
In Proverbs 3:9 are the words: "Honor the Lord with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase..."
The question becomes, "How does one honor the Lord with his wealth or substance?" To honor the Lord with wealth or show gratitude towards God, one can provide a free will offering...there is no set amount to give in this type of offering.
Exodus 35:5 - "From what you have, take an offering for the LORD. Everyone who is willing is to bring to the LORD an offering of gold, silver and bronze".
Again, there is no set amount in this free will offering. In addition, a person can give a thank offering unto the Lord, or even a gift offering...there are plenty of ways to honor the Lord with their substance or wealth...but this is not the tithe.
Firstly, it is erroneous to consider firstfruit and tithe synonymous terms...accordingly, Proverbs 3:9 does not suggest that a person give 10 percent of his income to the Lord....Secondly, the firstfruit is a food substance, and according to the Bible, the firstfruit is not a specific amount (see Exodus 23:16-19 , Deuteronomy 26:2 , Nehemiah 10:37 and Nehemiah 12:44 )
Show me where money was used to give tithes....you wont find it.
Just for my own edification J, since I missed it somewhere in all of this discussion, how would you suggest that the ministry be supported and missionaries sent out if the tithe in the form of money is not supplied to the ministry. Surely you would not suggest supporting the ministry with a bushel of turnips and missionaries by a sack of corn? Or would you?
You've got this mixed up, bro....greenbacks existed back then (i.e. in the form of metals, silver, gold, etc.)...and a closer look into the Bible reveals that in OT times, not all had occupations related to farming...to infer that bartering was the only form of commerce in the Bible is simpy not supported.
Firstly, goods and services were not always purchased via bartering...secondly, there are many occupations in the OT unrelated to farming...thirdly, money was used quite often in OT times to pay wages as well as taxes. The main unit of currency in the OT times is the shekel. Scripture supporting money existed:
Genesis 23:15-16 "Listen to me, my lord; the land is worth four hundred shekels of silver, but what is that between me and you? Bury your dead." Abraham agreed to Ephron's terms and weighed out for him the price he had named in the hearing of the Hittites: four hundred shekels of silver, according to the weight current among the merchants."
I didn't say they didn't have money back then. I said their economy wasn't based on money. Just like our economy is based on money today, but there are still people that trade for the things they need.
Well, their economy was different than ours. Ours is based on greenbacks. Everything is traded for money now. It wasn't like that back then. That is why I have never bought into this argument that because the tithe wasn't money back then that it shouldn't be money now.
The very book that lays out the tithing law speaks of usury.
Money was an integral part of their society.
In 4000 years of recorded history in the word of God there is not one mention that ties the tithe to money.
As a matter of fact the times that the tithe is allowed to be converted to money for ease of transport there is a 20% fee for doing so.
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