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07-14-2007, 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
How many apostles or pastors during the 1st century were employed in the temple? None of course ... How many received food from the temple or presided over animal sacrifices ... none of course ...
We know that Jewish priests still operated as priests until 70 A.D., when the temple was destroyed ... and although the Jewish Christians still attended synagogue they did not officiate in the temple ...
Most importantly, none of the epistles take the time to teach Gentile babes in the Lord what is tithing or why they should ... it seems counterintuitive that not one epistle addresses it if ... one of the 8 laws of tithing still applied.
Paul is simply stating the obvious that the worker ... no matter who he is ... is worthy of his salary.
It's a giant leap to make the assumption that this is an instruction ... when it is obviously an observation.
Furthermore ... Peter tells us we are all royal priests ... if we are going to use the priestly argument then we all are entitled to the tithe.
It is clear that Paul is making a parallel here to highlight the importance of the man of God being compensated.
Nothing more, nothing less.
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Paul is not talking about any worker. He is talking about those that labor in the gospel.
Nobody is using the "priestly argument"
1Co 9:14 In the same way the Lord commanded those who proclaim the gospel to receive their living by the gospel.
How is this done?
You say this is not instruction but observation....yet Paul says "The Lord commanded".
Those who labor in the gospel are to be taken care of....IF that is the command, that they live off the gospel, then it seems only right by way of charity that we take care of them too, just as we are to take care of the poor and widows and children etc etc.
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
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- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
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07-14-2007, 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Paul is not talking about any worker. He is talking about those that labor in the gospel.
Nobody is using the "priestly argument"
1Co 9:14 In the same way the Lord commanded those who proclaim the gospel to receive their living by the gospel.
How is this done?
You say this is not instruction but observation....yet Paul says "The Lord commanded".
Those who labor in the gospel are to be taken care of....IF that is the command, that they live off the gospel, then it seems only right by way of charity that we take care of them too, just as we are to take care of the poor and widows and children etc etc.
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Is it me or we're agreeing that the man of God should be taken care of???? .... yet there is no way this verse can be used to justify the SELECTIVE tithing doctrine
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07-14-2007, 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Is it me or we're agreeing that the man of God should be taken care of???? .... yet there is no way this verse can be used to justify the SELECTIVE tithing doctrine
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I never said this verse should be used to support any doctrine
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-14-2007, 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
I never said this verse should be used to support any doctrine
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I like you, Praxeas ... I enjoy your role as the thread foil.
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07-14-2007, 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
I like you, Praxeas ... I enjoy your role as the thread foil.
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FOIL = A foil is a secondary character who contrasts with a major character and, in so doing, highlights various facets of the main character's personality. The author may use the foil to set up situations in which the protagonist can show his or her character traits.
A foil's role, as a contrast to the hero, may be emphasized by physical contrasts. Dreamy and impractical Don Quixote is thin; realistic, practical Sancho Panza is fat. Sherlock Holmes is tall and lean; Doctor Watson, although at first, on his return from Afghanistan, described as lean, is later described as "middle-sized, strongly built".
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07-14-2007, 12:42 AM
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FOIL = A foil is a secondary character who contrasts with a major character and, in so doing, highlights various facets of the main character's personality. The author may use the foil to set up situations in which the protagonist can show his or her character traits.
A foil's role, as a contrast to the hero, may be emphasized by physical contrasts. Dreamy and impractical Don Quixote is thin; realistic, practical Sancho Panza is fat. Sherlock Holmes is tall and lean; Doctor Watson, although at first, on his return from Afghanistan, described as lean, is later described as "middle-sized, strongly built".
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You caught that, huh, Master Shalom?
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07-14-2007, 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by J-Roc
FOIL = A foil is a secondary character who contrasts with a major character and, in so doing, highlights various facets of the main character's personality. The author may use the foil to set up situations in which the protagonist can show his or her character traits.
A foil's role, as a contrast to the hero, may be emphasized by physical contrasts. Dreamy and impractical Don Quixote is thin; realistic, practical Sancho Panza is fat. Sherlock Holmes is tall and lean; Doctor Watson, although at first, on his return from Afghanistan, described as lean, is later described as "middle-sized, strongly built".
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
You caught that, huh, Master Shalom?
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Indeed, HeadMaster Dan....I have not sipped from the
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07-14-2007, 12:09 AM
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His word burns in my heart like a fire...Fire Fall Down
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Praxeas
Those who labor in the gospel are to be taken care of....IF that is the command, that they live off the gospel, then it seems only right by way of charity that we take care of them too, just as we are to take care of the poor and widows and children etc etc.
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And who is saying that they should not receive compensation?
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07-14-2007, 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by J-Roc
And who is saying that they should not receive compensation?
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Is it something in the Pacific air???
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07-14-2007, 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Is it something in the Pacific air???
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Perhaps it is in the
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