Interesting article on the need for Apostolic TV..

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Newman

The "key trivia" is irrelevant to her compelling and well-written argument.

It is well written but rather being in advocation of television it exposes the obligation this pastor and church family had to this dear saint. With all the tapes and cd's available and young suppose to be preachers sitting around Pentecostal churches this is an indictment to them. When I started preaching my pastor sent me to the rest homes weekly. We sang and preached and visited. I would hate to think God had this neglect on my record. This congregation does not need a television program they need a good praying through to see their obligations to widows and shut ins. The tube will not and cannot ease the conscience of what the church should be doing PERSONALLY.
Cancel a golf game I suggest and church outing and do what God commanded to do to 'visit widows in their afflictions.'

[OP_Carl]

Elder Epley,

EXACTLY.

Carl

[NLYP]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

It is well written but rather being in advocation of television it exposes the obligation this pastor and church family had to this dear saint. With all the tapes and cd's available and young suppose to be preachers sitting around Pentecostal churches this is an indictment to them. When I started preaching my pastor sent me to the rest homes weekly. We sang and preached and visited. I would hate to think God had this neglect on my record. This congregation does not need a television program they need a good praying through to see their obligations to widows and shut ins. The tube will not and cannot ease the conscience of what the church should be doing PERSONALLY.
Cancel a golf game I suggest and church outing and do what God commanded to do to 'visit widows in their afflictions.'

So you are saying that they should be there 24/7????
Seems to me having a 24/7 church program would be alot more conveient for all those involved.
I know I would not want my Pastor over all day everyday.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by NLYP

So you are saying that they should be there 24/7????
Seems to me having a 24/7 church program would be alot more conveient for all those involved.
I know I would not want my Pastor over all day everyday.

I have no clue what you are asking?????????????????????????

[IAintMovin]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I have no clue what you are asking?????????????????????????

And neither does he............

[bdlooney]

Originally Posted by NLYP

So you are saying that they should be there 24/7????
Seems to me having a 24/7 church program would be alot more conveient for all those involved.I know I would not want my Pastor over all day everyday.

1.
So the truth finally comes out!! The big push for TV is not for evangelism but convenience. It would be much easier to ask the shut-ins to turn to channel 4 than drive over and actually visit, minister and pray with them.

I am not an "Elder" in ministry and this is only my 23rd post on AFF but I pray to God that I never get to the place that I would make this type of decision based upon the convenience factor.

2.
What?!?! Having the Pastor there 24/7??
I doubt that they would be watching the program 24/7.

Originally Posted by bdlooney

1.
So the truth finally comes out!! The big push for TV is not for evangelism but convenience. It would be much easier to ask the shut-ins to turn to channel 4 than drive over and actually visit, minister and pray with them.

I am not an "Elder" in ministry and this is only my 23rd post on AFF but I pray to God that I never get to the place that I would make this type of decision based upon the convenience factor.

2.
What?!?! Having the Pastor there 24/7??
I doubt that they would be watching the program 24/7.

There is more truth to the agenda and propaganda than that, but thou hast a sharp eye.

1 Fleshalionians 2:3 Let thou thine boop tube do thy bidding.

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by bdlooney

1.
So the truth finally comes out!! The big push for TV is not for evangelism but convenience. It would be much easier to ask the shut-ins to turn to channel 4 than drive over and actually visit, minister and pray with them.

I am not an "Elder" in ministry and this is only my 23rd post on AFF but I pray to God that I never get to the place that I would make this type of decision based upon the convenience factor.

2.
What?!?! Having the Pastor there 24/7??
I doubt that they would be watching the program 24/7.

Televising services and/or being on TBN is of dubious value.

We've got to be careful, however, because this is not the only aspect of the larger television debate.

There are some valid points in the argument for advertising our Apostolic churches on TV. Placing ad spots on local secular channels would reach a larger target audience. Then the question becomes, 'what do we put in those adds?' Face time of Pastor Handsome telling about all of the programs? A bit of the choir hitting the best part of their best song? A close up of Sister Screech Owl doing the jerky shockamoo like she's a rag doll in the jaws of a pit bull? Or just a teaser to indicate that things might be different, or more welcoming? What risk do we take on that we might be providing false advertising?

Then, once they get established, do we tell the people that we reached via television that it's time for them to take their televisions to the curb? It's a bad influence, after all . . .

[QUOTE=OP_Carl;188278]

Televising services and/or being on TBN is of dubious value.

I am aware of a number of people that might disagree with you here. Enter Jim and Tammy Faye. Introduce to you Oral Roberts. May I present to you Bishop Fulton Sheen. Care to get acquainted with Hour of Power, Herbert W. StrongundertheArm? How about Jimmy Swaggard, Rod Parsley, and a long list of others that I could name.

We've got to be careful, however, because this is not the only aspect of the larger television debate.

Right on!

I can see the devil and God in a debate.

"Hey! that's not FAIR! You stole those soul from me because T.V. was MY DOMAIN. You were not suppose come near it. I demand that you give 'em back!

"Sorry. I can't do it. Someone prayed "...thy kingdom come, thy WILL be DONE IN EARTH, as it is done in heaven. Just had to answer that prayer."

"But, I thought your folks were to just let your light shine just in the church houses and not out here on the airwaves."

"Yes, I told my disciples to let their light so shine before MEN that the world may see their GOOD works and glorify their father which is in heaven. They had to use T.V. to shine before men because that is where MEN ARE FOUND...day and night...usually with a beer in their hands."

"Well OK. Tell you what. I would like to buy about half of them back from you. What would you have to have to seal the deal?"

"No deal. They are too precious to me."

"Tell you what. I'll give you half the money in the world if I can buy back ol' Sam Jones because he really served me well before you came into his living room in one of those highrise apartment buildings in New York City and snatched him off his couch and made him a follower of you."

"Still no deal. For ol' sinnin' Sam Jones, I died, giving my own blood on a cruel cross for ol' sinnin' Sam. In fact, all the money in the world could not buy ol' sinnin' Sam from me. Once he is in my hands, there is nothing, absolutely nothing that can be used as barter to get him back. He is mine forever. Yes, I used the media of TV to reach him way up in that apartment in New York that no other media would or could have ever reached him."

"Aaagghaarraaaahhahhhhaaaa and those blasted followers of yours! I almost had them deceived to never go on T.V. because it was a bad influence on their little hand full. It almost worked until someone started teaching and adressing the issues of the heart rather than the evils of T.V."

"Sam, come here and testify, boy. Tell the devil that you are glad, he's mad, because he lost a lad that he thought he had. Testify Sam."

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

"Tell you what. I'll give you half the money in the world if I can buy back ol' Sam Jones because he really served me well before you came into his living room in one of those highrise apartment buildings in New York City and snatched him off his couch and made him a follower of you."

Yes, Elder, I have heard the 'gated community' argument.

I counter with the 'what happened to my preacher' argument.

It isn't as though we are simply going to plop a camera down at the back of the room, pipe the sound out, and have church as usual. The camera will be moving. The lights will be moving. There will be producers and directors.

All this extra commotion is going to affect people. It's going to affect the congregation. It's going to affect the people who are normally on the platform. And it can't help but to affect your preacher's mind. Now he has the extra weight of knowing that his words are being carried to people who will have no familiarity whatsoever with church lingo and euphemisms. He's going to start pulling punches. He's going to start second-guessing himself. He's going to select topics based on sales criteria, not needs. He might even get the big head.

The services will be scripted instead of spirit-led.

The devil also knows that if he takes down the shepherd, the sheep will be scattered. This gives the devil a new avenue to reach the pastor.

Good old one-in-a-million Sam might not be reached right there in his high-rise. But he might also go for a walk . . .

It's a lot of distraction and energy, and we don't need it. We need more of God. When Sam walks in, he needs a genuine encounter with God.