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Dr. Seagraves gave a bible-based compelling argument for why each item in the Tabernacle does not point to our worship but to Him.... Elder Epley wants you to speculate.

Once again the quote:

While the Tabernacle of old was definitely a figure (Greek parabole) (Hebrews 9:9), no New Testament verse seeks to interpret the meaning of each item associated with Tabernacle worship. By necessity, then, much of the interpretation regarding the Tabernacle is speculative at best. What the New Testament does clearly indicate is that the essential purpose of the Tabernacle worship, as a whole, was to prefigure the coming Christ and His role as the final and only efficacious sacrifice (Hebrews 9:8-14, 23-26; 10:1-21; Colossians 2:16-17; Galatians 3:24).

I love Hebrews 9 .... it too is about HIM!!!

Hebrews 9

1Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.


2For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.


3And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;


4Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;


5And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.


6Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.

7But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:

8The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

9Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

10Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

11But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;


12Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.


13For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:


14How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?


15And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.


16For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.


17For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.


18Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.


19For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,


20Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.


21Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.

22And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.


23It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.


24For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:


25Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;


26For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.


27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:


28So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Dr. Seagraves gave a bible-based compelling argument for why each item in the Tabernacle does not point to our worship but to Him.... Elder Epley wants you to speculate.

Once again the quote:



I love Hebrews 9 .... it too is about HIM!!!

Hebrews 9

1Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.


2For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.


3And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;


4Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;


5And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.


6Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.

7But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:

8The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

9Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

10Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

11But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;


12Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.


13For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:


14How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?


15And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.


16For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.


17For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.


18Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.


19For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,


20Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.


21Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.

22And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.


23It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.


24For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:


25Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;


26For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.


27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:


28So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

All the Tabernacle is first and primarily fulfilled in Christ as every OT type THEN His relationship in dealing with man that places the individual in Christ.

Again BLOOD-WATER-OIL-FIRE. Read the record of these sacrifices and cleansings.

[Steve Epley]

David said "as for God His way is Perfect." Gd preached the Gospel to the OT patriarts through types and then came the law which was shadow it fits like hand in glove. Redemption's beautiful word pictures.
BLOOD-WATER-OIL-FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!

Long ago the maids drew water in the Evening Time they say......

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

David said "as for God His way is Perfect." Gd preached the Gospel to the OT patriarts through types and then came the law which was shadow it fits like hand in glove. Redemption's beautiful word pictures.
BLOOD-WATER-OIL-FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!

Long ago the maids drew water in the Evening Time they say......

Now it's 4 that give testimony .... ROFL

You really need to find some more speculative shadows ... happy hunting ...

You are blinded.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Now it's 4 that give testimony .... ROFL

You really need to find some more speculative shadows ... happy hunting ...

You are blinded.

Did your Father as well take such a strong stand against this Biblical Concept to rebuke it?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

Did your Father as well take such a strong stand against this Biblical Concept to rebuke it?

My Dad put on his britches like you and I ... BOOM ...

I take the same strong stance approach for Truth as the Elder ...

[Steve Epley]

Dan & Naaman

Just suppose Dan was the chariot driver for Naaman and Naaman had just got his prescription from Elijah.

Dan "I read heard faith alone fixed Abraham this man is teachings works."
Dan "This guy has water on the brain water is in all their sacrifices and cleansings' Water-Water -Water what about the blood of a sacrifice?"
Dan " There is NO healing or cleansing power in Water this is leprosy regeneration and it is sacrimental."
Dan " A specific place to dip and a specific way to dip this is nothing but works God is not that particular He is a God of Love. You mean to tell me our water is not good enough and it MUST be done a certain way? All these ONENESS folks are alike besides he has a small church and is always condemning wonderful ladies like good queen Jezebel and her adorable husband Ahab they have 850 prophets are all them wrong????
But Dan wasn't in the chariot!
And when HE DIPPED ACCORDING TO THE SAYING of the man of God the rest is history.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Dan & Naaman

Just suppose Dan was the chariot driver for Naaman and Naaman had just got his prescription from Elijah.

Dan "I read heard faith alone fixed Abraham this man is teachings works."
Dan "This guy has water on the brain water is in all their sacrifices and cleansings' Water-Water -Water what about the blood of a sacrifice?"
Dan " There is NO healing or cleansing power in Water this is leprosy regeneration and it is sacrimental."
Dan " A specific place to dip and a specific way to dip this is nothing but works God is not that particular He is a God of Love. You mean to tell me our water is not good enough and it MUST be done a certain way? All these ONENESS folks are alike besides he has a small church and is always condemning wonderful ladies like good queen Jezebel and her adorable husband Ahab they have 850 prophets are all them wrong????
But Dan wasn't in the chariot!
And when HE DIPPED ACCORDING TO THE SAYING of the man of God the rest is history.

More metaphors, anecdotes, parallelisms, vain speculations ... no Truth ...

You should write a fictional book.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

More metaphors, anecdotes, parallelisms, vain speculations ... no Truth ...

You should write a fictional book.

I am examining fiction your arguments! Fiction editor for your posts.

But did anyone notice he did not address this piece like most of what is posted.

Dan the dodger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!