Do you believe in modesty

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Chewy

I think the denominal world has a pretty good handle on modesty. They don't stigmatize normal behavior, and thus remove the adrenalin rush that comes with doing normal every day things in our Western culture.

What, does the church actually believe that by regulating morality they are keeping men from sin?

Don't think so.

Since I don't have a clue what you just wrote I am going to have to ask some questions.

What is denominal world? How do they have a handle on modesty and how do you know? What is normal behavior and is it biblically sanctioned? Fornication is normal behavior for some.

How does not stigmatizing normal behavior remove an adrenalin ruhs that comes with doing normal everyday things? What normal every day things usually generate an adrenalin rush in your estimation?

Do you or do you not believe in modesty? By your answer its' hard to tell, particularly the last one. That's like saying the church can't prevent sin by preaching against sin....

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Since I don't have a clue what you just wrote I am going to have to ask some questions.

What is denominal world? How do they have a handle on modesty and how do you know? What is normal behavior and is it biblically sanctioned? Fornication is normal behavior for some.

How does not stigmatizing normal behavior remove an adrenalin ruhs that comes with doing normal everyday things? What normal every day things usually generate an adrenalin rush in your estimation?

Do you or do you not believe in modesty? By your answer its' hard to tell, particularly the last one. That's like saying the church can't prevent sin by preaching against sin....

Here ya go. Going to a movie. I have gone to movies with Apostolic people and they are so nervous, they are looking around, they feel like they are doing something adventerous full of danger, because if someone from the church would see them! Oh Indiana Jones look out!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Here ya go. Going to a movie. I have gone to movies with Apostolic people and they are so nervous, they are looking around, they feel like they are doing something adventerous full of danger, because if someone from the church would see them! Oh Indiana Jones look out!

OH, so you are not Apostolic? Im still not sure how that pertains to the topic of modesty or your adrenaline rush theory or even how that is normal behavior.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

OH, so you are not Apostolic? Im still not sure how that pertains to the topic of modesty or your adrenaline rush theory or even how that is normal behavior.

Because of this stigma, our kids can't make the determination between what is sin and what is normal behavior. And I am not talking about your polarized statement that IMMORALITY to some is considered normal behavior in mainstream religion.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Because of this stigma, our kids can't make the determination between what is sin and what is normal behavior. And I am not talking about your polarized statement that IMMORALITY to some is considered normal behavior in mainstream religion.

Because of the stigma (is that the right word?!?!) of being told not to go to movies they can't make the determination between what is sin and what is normal behavior?!?! And how does that pertain to modesty? BTW you only said "normal behavior" as I said before I did not have a clue what you were tryiing to say and needed to ask you some questions. Perhaps you can be clearer next time and less cryptic. How am I supposed to know what you meant by normal behavior? Was I supposed to read your mind?

[Praxeas]

BTW do you or anyone else actually have something to say on THIS topic instead of trying to change it to something else?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

BTW do you or anyone else actually have something to say on THIS topic instead of trying to change it to something else?

Coming from you this statement is HILARIOUS!!!!

[Polaris]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

BTW do you or anyone else actually have something to say on THIS topic instead of trying to change it to something else?

In the first place Prax, when I got the Holy Ghost, one of the first things God told me to do was to put some clothes on...and I mean in a way that went far beyond what the world calls "normal". So I think that is our first "stop" on the road to clarifying this issue...when you feel self-conscious or get that "under-dressed" feeling, that's probably the spirit of God telling you you don't have enought clothes on (I'm saying "you" in a general sense...not you, personally). My wife, as a new convert, went through this...going to a church gathering and tugging at her sleeves and such...feeling like she was too exposed. I've heard of quite a few people experiencing this awareness of a need for modesty soon after conversion. Of course, this goes totally against what the world calls "normal". Going swimming in mixed company with bathing suits on is no problem for the world. They could go out and mow the lawn in shorts and a tank-top (or no shirt at all) and think that's just fine...but that's what regeneration does for you...the grace of God in your heart teaches you to live soberly, righteously and godly.

Our second "stop" is the word of God. The Bible indicates that exposing one's thigh is nakedness, and this is from ancient times. Even the Old Testament priests had to wear undergarments that extended from the loins to the thighs to prevent someone from seeing up their garments. We'll let the record reflect that the lower part of the legs and the feet didn't seem to be a concern, but above the knee most definitely was. This gives us a feel for what the Biblically sound position would entail.

Finally, the word of God says to "ask for the old paths", and that the younger should submit to the elder, so WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK OF THE ABOVE, let's look at what Holy Ghost-filled, anointed people of God have felt that God has written on their hearts, and have preached with authority. Holiness-minded people (myself included) have almost universally recognized that taking off one's shirt is nudity, and through the witness of the Holy Ghost, we've had the law of God written in our hearts agreeing with the Bible that exposing the thigh is nakedness. So that is where parameters have come from such as having skirts come past the knees, etc. I know that this doesn't answer EVERY modesty question, but it's a good start.

Taking into account "the Big Three"...how does it square with the Holy Ghost, how does it line-up to the Bible, and what does the consensus of our elders seem to be, goes far beyond modesty issues...there is great safety in this for all kinds of issues! God has been good to his church, giving us his Spirit, his word, and the ministry for the perfection of the saints.

Troy