Can someone please tell me...?!

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I personally think the merger itself was a bad plan...

I both agree and disagree. Sorry to say that. But you have to look at the motivation for the "3 steppers" to bring in the PCI. The PCI was a very effectively run and financially solid organization; not that the PAJC was in trouble or anything. The PCI was just doing a much better job at missions for a group of its size. They were far out-doing (is that a word?) the PAJC in just about every way despite only being 1/3 the size.

Originally Posted by stmatthew

And I understand why it would be the 3-step guys that did the striving. Consider that while the 1-steppers could look at the 3-steppers as ok, but just adding to the message, the 3-steppers could only look at the 1-steppers as not preaching the entire message, thereby giving a false hope of salvation.

If I add the idea of "game theory" to your excellent thought, I think RW and SheltieDad could probably have a field day.

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Some would say that Love should have prevailed. I agree that there should have been more love and less hate, but do you join hands in love with those who he feels opposes the message he preaches?

I will contend, without any justification and without any reasonable support - that the PAJC "crowd" does in fact earnestly love the PCI gang (and I don't think you meant to imply otherwise).

What we need is a better basis for merging. Love and the fact that the "other guy" has his act together in missions doesn't necessarily mean we will continue to love. RW and ShaggyDad need to come up with a better way to work out the almost M.A.D. like game theory problem of the merger. How do we set up the chess board so that one meme doesn't dominate?

First, why does it dominate? Because the "3 stepper" program must bite and devour the "1 stepper" plan just to survive? Given this setting, the "1 steppers" had better wake up and realize that their survival is at stake. Perhaps competing organizations would allow us to once again observe the "invisible hand of the market" and we'll all subscribe to the PCI.

I will now further contend - without any reasonable proof - that even the most acidic "3 steppers" are secretly "1 steppers" at heart. I say this based only upon my relationship with a few of the feistiest ones that I know of. In every private conversation I've ever had, these guys will confess that they are really pushing so hard with their public statements in order to "raise the bar" to a higher level than what they really expect people to follow.

The whole "all trinitarians are automatically lost" and the "dress up like a Muslim in a burka" stuff is just hyperbole. Pigeon hole one of these guys and mano e mano they will state that they are really following a strategy here of hype. It's the same game that the prosperity preachers play but on a different field.

Push the bar up so high that no one can reach it because wherever the bar is- people will always come up just a little short. Tell the girls to wear skirts to their ankles if you want them to cover the knee. It's that type of thinking. Remove that “strategy” from the game and people will suddenly become more reasonable. Then it’s just overcoming the natural carnality that plagues mankind – but we’ve got that whooped already, don’t we?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I both agree and disagree. Sorry to say that. But you have to look at the motivation for the "3 steppers" to bring in the PCI. The PCI was a very effectively run and financially solid organization; not that the PAJC was in trouble or anything. The PCI was just doing a much better job at missions for a group of its size. They were far out-doing (is that a word?) the PAJC in just about every way despite only being 1/3 the size.

If I add the idea of "game theory" to your excellent thought, I think RW and SheltieDad could probably have a field day.

I will contend, without any justification and without any reasonable support - that the PAJC "crowd" does in fact earnestly love the PCI gang (and I don't think you meant to imply otherwise).

What we need is a better basis for merging. Love and the fact that the "other guy" has his act together in missions doesn't necessarily mean we will continue to love. RW and ShaggyDad need to come up with a better way to work out the almost M.A.D. like game theory problem of the merger. How do we set up the chess board so that one meme doesn't dominate?

First, why does it dominate? Because the "3 stepper" program must bite and devour the "1 stepper" plan just to survive? Given this setting, the "1 steppers" had better wake up and realize that their survival is at stake. Perhaps competing organizations would allow us to once again observe the "invisible hand of the market" and we'll all subscribe to the PCI.

I will now further contend - without any reasonable proof - that even the most acidic "3 steppers" are secretly "1 steppers" at heart. I say this based only upon my relationship with a few of the feistiest ones that I know of. In every private conversation I've ever had, these guys will confess that they are really pushing so hard with their public statements in order to "raise the bar" to a higher level than what they really expect people to follow.

The whole "all trinitarians are automatically lost" and the "dress up like a Muslim in a burka" stuff is just hyperbole. Pigeon hole one of these guys and mano e mano they will state that they are really following a strategy here of hype. It's the same game that the prosperity preachers play but on a different field.

Push the bar up so high that no one can reach it because wherever the bar is- people will always come up just a little short. Tell the girls to wear skirts to their ankles if you want them to cover the knee. It's that type of thinking. Remove that “strategy” from the game and people will suddenly become more reasonable. Then it’s just overcoming the natural carnality that plagues mankind – but we’ve got that whooped already, don’t we?

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