I see paul as pretty self assured and abrasive. He got run out of town a number of times. He got in a knock down drag out with Peter and the jewish christians that had to be settled by arbitration.
he ended up in such a rift with Barnabus that they went differnet directions.
he called John Mark a mamas boy.
He is also responsible for changing the course of Western Civilization.
Paul was neither Meek nor Gentle. Paul was in my estimation a guy so confident that he was right, that he would stand at nothing to achieve his goal. He was put off by those that were not as committed as himself, he hated hypocracy (especially in the ministry) but he also subjected himself to his leadership and he was full of compassion for a lost and dying world.
i agree that all of us have our own perceptions of Paul but the fact is we dont have enough of the specific details to know how all of this transpired and was handled, what ever his temperament, he was a powerful man of the spirit, who had great passion for the work of god, dt
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i agree that all of us have our own perceptions of Paul but the fact is we dont have enough of the specific details to know how all of this transpired and was handled, what ever his temperament, he was a powerful man of the spirit, who had great passion for the work of god, dt
I agree. There are too many instances when he presented his life as being, "chief among sinners."
He couldn't have, IMHO, come across as abrasive and still be effective.
I don't read him that way at all. I don't believe that would have washed for many people. It doesn't do it today and I don't think human mindset has changed that much.
If you are forgiven you can't come across pounding other people. It just doesn't work.
I agree. There are too many instances when he presented his life as being, "chief among sinners."
He couldn't have, IMHO, come across as abrasive and still be effective.
I don't read him that way at all. I don't believe that would have washed for many people. It doesn't do it today and I don't think human mindset has changed that much.
If you are forgiven you can't come across pounding other people. It just doesn't work.
Bishop SC Johnson built the largest Oneness Apostolic Holiness church in existance while he was alive and he was quite abrasive.
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Bishop SC Johnson built the largest Oneness Apostolic Holiness church in existance while he was alive and he was quite abrasive.
I think there is a difference in being anointed and bold and just being rude and impatient. We wouldn't be telling the truth if we didn't say we have experienced both.
I love anointed preaching and ministry when you can feel His Spirit confirming his Word and the words spoken, but when you get the rude cuts just to make a point and it falls flat - it's just not good.
I guess what I am trying to say is we can't paint Paul in a total frame as "abrasive". If we do that it gives and has given men an women the idea that they don't have to handle the sheep in any other way than as a "cowboy" and not a "shepherd".
I think there is a difference in being anointed and bold and just being rude and impatient. We wouldn't be telling the truth if we didn't say we have experienced both.
I love anointed preaching and ministry when you can feel His Spirit confirming his Word and the words spoken, but when you get the rude cuts just to make a point and it falls flat - it's just not good.
I guess what I am trying to say is we can't paint Paul in a total frame as "abrasive". If we do that it gives and has given men an women the idea that they don't have to handle the sheep in any other way than as a "cowboy" and not a "shepherd".
I agree that we cant paint with too broad a brush, but that cuts both ways. being too soft leads to nothing. Pauls fights were not with sinners he was trying to win. Pauls conflicts were with others in the ministry who were acting in a way he felt was dammaging to the flock. He also didnt pull any punches when confronting sin in the church.
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I agree that we cant paint with too broad a brush, but that cuts both ways. being too soft leads to nothing. Pauls fights were not with sinners he was trying to win. Pauls conflicts were with others in the ministry who were acting in a way he felt was dammaging to the flock. He also didnt pull any punches when confronting sin in the church.
I agree with you. We can't paint a broad brush either way.
I don't think he pulled any punches with the church. I believe as in I Timothy 1:15 and Ephesians 3:8 he always reminded the church that he remembered where he came from.
Philippians 1:8 "bowels" meaning "pity, sympathy, inward affection".
They could take what he had to say because he had prevailing love toward them and mentioned it often.
Might ask Elimas or the woman with the spirit of divination?
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Elymas - taking hold of a devil - with authority.
Woman with spirit of divination - talking hold of a devil - with authority.
Good example, but his authority here is different than what I was talking about. It's a conversation condoning........ I think this might turn into an argument.
I'm just going to drop it. It doesn't really matter anyway.
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Elymas - taking hold of a devil - with authority.
Woman with spirit of divination - talking hold of a devil - with authority.
Good example, but his authority here is different than what I was talking about. It's a conversation condoning........ I think this might turn into an argument.
I'm just going to drop it. It doesn't really matter anyway.
He called him 'thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness?"
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