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08-16-2007, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Lost and Found
Sorry, I thought you would understand "pre-pentecost." What I meant by this was Peter did not have Jesus ruling in his heart through the Holy Ghost when he did that. Is that clearer?
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What does that have to do with what EB said and my post? He made the point first about faith and prayer and all I did was rhetorically talk about Peter...did Peter pray before Pentecost? Did he have faith before Pentecost? Once again you seem to be missing peoples points probably by not fully reading what is being discussed
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08-16-2007, 04:47 PM
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What does that have to do with what EB said and my post? He made the point first about faith and prayer and all I did was rhetorically talk about Peter...did Peter pray before Pentecost? Did he have faith before Pentecost? Once again you seem to be missing peoples points probably by not fully reading what is being discussed
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Prax, my posts was about Peter using his sword.  If you look back you will see that I even quoted that with my statement. Maybe you are missing the posts? 
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08-16-2007, 04:50 PM
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Prax, my posts was about Peter using his sword. If you look back you will see that I even quoted that with my statement. Maybe you are missing the posts? |
That's nice, but me....Im talking about what EB said and pointing out that if EB is right then Peter must not have had faith and or prayed.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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08-16-2007, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
That's nice, but me....Im talking about what EB said and pointing out that if EB is right then Peter must not have had faith and or prayed.
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Uh..Praxeas Peter didn't pray or have faith.
Mat 26:40-46
"And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour? Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak. He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done. And he came and found them asleep again: for their eyes were heavy. And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words. Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners. Rise, let us be going: behold, he is at hand that doth betray me."
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08-16-2007, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Uh..Praxeas Peter didn't pray or have faith.
Mat 26:40-46
"And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour? Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak. He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done. And he came and found them asleep again: for their eyes were heavy. And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words. Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners. Rise, let us be going: behold, he is at hand that doth betray me." |
That verse doesn't say he had no faith nor did not pray...
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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08-16-2007, 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
That verse doesn't say he had no faith nor did not pray...
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Prax did Peter pray with Jesus before Jesus' arrest? Did Peter's denial show Peter's faithfulness? You don't have to go and backslide trying to prove me wrong.
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08-16-2007, 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Prax did Peter pray with Jesus before Jesus' arrest? Did Peter's denial show Peter's faithfulness? You don't have to go and backslide trying to prove me wrong.
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Did Peter pray for the sick? Did Peter walk on water? Did he cast out demons and heal the sick?
BTW what exactly did you mean about me backsliding?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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08-17-2007, 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Prax did Peter pray with Jesus before Jesus' arrest? Did Peter's denial show Peter's faithfulness? You don't have to go and backslide trying to prove me wrong.
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Ever feel like you just can't make it simple enough? 
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The Bible is open to those that want Truth, and if they want Truth, they find Truth. They watch individuals squabble over Bible symbolism on the Internet, and leave the Message boards to enter into the real world where live people dwell, and they find Truth. The World Wide Web is full of Internet Ayatollahs who speak their mind. There is only one Truth, and it is not hidden. No matter what anyone says, Truth still converts the sincere.
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08-17-2007, 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Uh..Praxeas Peter didn't pray or have faith.
Mat 26:40-46
"And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour? Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak. He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done. And he came and found them asleep again: for their eyes were heavy. And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words. Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners. Rise, let us be going: behold, he is at hand that doth betray me." |
Just for EB...notice that quoting the whole thing does not change the first line? Weird how that works eh? As you can see it still has EB saying "Peter didn't pray or have faith"
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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08-17-2007, 09:59 PM
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EB, with all this talk about the OT here, I thought I'd ask you about the following: I am sure from your extensive study that you already know that personal retribution is explicitly forbidden in the Torah. Look here:
Leviticus 19:18
(18) Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself: I am the LORD.
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Lev 19:18 - thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself — The word “neighbour” is used as synonymous with “fellow creature.” The Israelites in a later age restricted its meaning as applicable only to their own countrymen. This narrow interpretation was refuted by our Lord in a beautiful parable (Luke 10:30-37). --A Commentary on the Old and New Testaments by Robert Jamieson, A. R. Fausset and David Brown
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Luke 10 is of course the parable of the Good Samaritan. This is really a great way to see how God views our treatment of all men. Those who did not value this man's life were looked very poorly on by Jesus. He said that we should do as did the Samarian. He was the one who showed value to life. What are your views here?
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The Bible is open to those that want Truth, and if they want Truth, they find Truth. They watch individuals squabble over Bible symbolism on the Internet, and leave the Message boards to enter into the real world where live people dwell, and they find Truth. The World Wide Web is full of Internet Ayatollahs who speak their mind. There is only one Truth, and it is not hidden. No matter what anyone says, Truth still converts the sincere.
-DD Benincasa, 12/06/03
www.tkburk.com
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