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[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

That verse doesn't say he had no faith nor did not pray...

Prax did Peter pray with Jesus before Jesus' arrest? Did Peter's denial show Peter's faithfulness? You don't have to go and backslide trying to prove me wrong.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Prax did Peter pray with Jesus before Jesus' arrest? Did Peter's denial show Peter's faithfulness? You don't have to go and backslide trying to prove me wrong.

Did Peter pray for the sick? Did Peter walk on water? Did he cast out demons and heal the sick?

BTW what exactly did you mean about me backsliding?

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Prax did Peter pray with Jesus before Jesus' arrest? Did Peter's denial show Peter's faithfulness? You don't have to go and backslide trying to prove me wrong.

Ever feel like you just can't make it simple enough?

[TK Burk]

EB,

The website links you gave are great. Thanks for the info. I hope others will read these as well.

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

You are very unclear on what you are trying to say. What exactly is your point?

And I noticed that you never did answer what I posted to you. Too bad. And you say that I am avoiding you??

This is getting kind of comical.

First, I say that I will defend my family by whatever means are at my disposal including firearms. I also said that I will defend freedom and the American way of life when called upon by my country. I said this calling into mind that the God of the O.T. who not only acknowledge this principle but in some cases ORDERED it.

Then, you ask did Jesus ever command these type of actions.

I then point out that the God of the N.T. is also the God of the O.T.

Then, you ask, "What is your point."

I then ask when did God change his mind or attitude.

Yoiu respond by saying that he is the same yesterday, today and forever.

I said EXACTLY. That is my point. God, who has not changed, being the same God, commanded the use of the sword in some cases.

THEN...get this...THEN, you come back with the statement that God is against His New Covenant church is against killing another soul.

I agreed with you. Since I did, you were puzzeled.

Eplanation:

The New Covenant church, the body of Christ has no mandate or instructions to pursue war or to bear the sword in any manner at all...not even against a wild animal that would attack our families. Throughout history, the mystical body of Christ, the church has never picked up carnal weapns to shoot anything...not even a deer. NEVER! The nearest to such a senario that I can think of was the Crusades that were organized to capture Jerusalem from the Muslims. But, even then, the Crusaders were not the body of Christ.

Since the pursuit of war, defense of your home and the nation, and to bear arms in that capacity is not a function of the church, just whose function is it? God ordained another entity in the earth for that responsibility and it is our scripturally mandated obligation to obey our Government whom God has given us as HIS SERVANT.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Did Peter pray for the sick? Did Peter walk on water? Did he cast out demons and heal the sick?

BTW what exactly did you mean about me backsliding?

Praxeas did Peter deny Jesus? The answer anyone would give you would be YES, but not you, you have to be right. So in being right and wanting me to be wrong you will weasel around the correct answer and say that Peter prayed for the sick and walked on water? Peter walked on water? Was that an honest answer Praxeas? Are you saying Peter had a strong faith, and was doubtless? Well once again Jesus doesn't agree with you philosophy.

Mat 14:24-31

"But the ship was now in the midst of the sea, tossed with waves: for the wind was contrary. And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea. And when the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, It is a spirit; and they cried out for fear. But straightway Jesus spake unto them, saying, Be of good cheer; it is I; be not afraid. And Peter answered him and said, Lord, if it be thou, bid me come unto thee on the water. And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus. But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me. And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?"

Also I posted Jesus and Peter in the garden because contrary to your philosophy Peter was not prayed up or full of faith. Peter in his weak condition tried to change the situation through deadly force and was rebuked by Jesus. No prayer and weak faith caused Peter to doubt the situation and the plan that Jesus had already informed him about. Jesus taught His followers that He was to be arrested and that He was to be killed.
Hence the reason for Jesus to pray in the garden and that Jesus compelled His followers also to continue in prayer. When Peter learns of the teaching that Jesus was to be killed, Peter rebukes Jesus, Jesus turns an rebukes Peter and calls Peter, “Satan”. When they are all in the garden Peter falls asleep? Jesus is asking them to continue in His watch. At the Passover meal Jesus warns Peter that Satan wished to sift Peter as wheat, and that Peter would also deny Jesus three times. Praxaes I have never met anyone Pentecostal, or even Baptist who ever thought Peter was a pillar of faith prior to Pentecost.

This is why I made the statement that it seems to me that you would blow off the obvious and information that is Bible 1O1 just in an effort to prove me wrong, hence the statement that you shouldn’t backslide in your great zeal to prove me wrong. You want to start fights Praxeas, I suggest getting your gun and buying a plane ticket to the Middle East.

Mat 26:40-41

"And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour? Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak."

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Ever feel like you just can't make it simple enough?

When agendas are the main focus of a discussion it really is never about "Making It Simple." Jesus could preach and David could play his harp and there are those who would still refuse to see.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Praxeas did Peter deny Jesus? The answer anyone would give you would be YES, but not you, you have to be right. So in being right and wanting me to be wrong you will weasel around the correct answer and say that Peter prayed for the sick and walked on water? Peter walked on water? Was that an honest answer Praxeas? Are you saying Peter had a strong faith, and was doubtless? Well once again Jesus doesn't agree with you philosophy.

Mat 14:24-31

"But the ship was now in the midst of the sea, tossed with waves: for the wind was contrary. And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea. And when the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, It is a spirit; and they cried out for fear. But straightway Jesus spake unto them, saying, Be of good cheer; it is I; be not afraid. And Peter answered him and said, Lord, if it be thou, bid me come unto thee on the water. And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus. But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me. And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?"

Also I posted Jesus and Peter in the garden because contrary to your philosophy Peter was not prayed up or full of faith. Peter in his weak condition tried to change the situation through deadly force and was rebuked by Jesus. No prayer and weak faith caused Peter to doubt the situation and the plan that Jesus had already informed him about. Jesus taught His followers that He was to be arrested and that He was to be killed.
Hence the reason for Jesus to pray in the garden and that Jesus compelled His followers also to continue in prayer. When Peter learns of the teaching that Jesus was to be killed, Peter rebukes Jesus, Jesus turns an rebukes Peter and calls Peter, “Satan”. When they are all in the garden Peter falls asleep? Jesus is asking them to continue in His watch. At the Passover meal Jesus warns Peter that Satan wished to sift Peter as wheat, and that Peter would also deny Jesus three times. Praxaes I have never met anyone Pentecostal, or even Baptist who ever thought Peter was a pillar of faith prior to Pentecost.

This is why I made the statement that it seems to me that you would blow off the obvious and information that is Bible 1O1 just in an effort to prove me wrong, hence the statement that you shouldn’t backslide in your great zeal to prove me wrong. You want to start fights Praxeas, I suggest getting your gun and buying a plane ticket to the Middle East.

Mat 26:40-41

"And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour? Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak."

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Man talk about focusing on the negative! Wow!!

Peter did walk on the water. That takes FAITH!!! Have you tried it? Were you successful? Probably not. Why you lack FAITH!!

Same as most of us.

Did Peter have issues of doubt? Yes he did. Same as you and me.

There are times we just have greater faith than at others. But that doesn't mean we never ever had any faith.

Good grief!

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Ever feel like you just can't make it simple enough?

Yes but we have tried.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esther

Yes but we have tried.

Esther show the scriptures that PROVE that you're to use deadly force to defend yourself. Where did Jesus and the apostles even alluded to the use of deadly force? Why didn't early Christian movements who were martyred by the Roman Catholics and Protestants use deadly force to protect themselves? Would you care to post something worth while in this discussion?

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com