Divine Flesh - Post Resurrection

[Scott Hutchinson]

John saw one that sat on the throne,He could not have a saw an ethreal body ,He saw a recognizable body.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

John saw one that sat on the throne,He could not have a saw an ethreal body ,He saw a recognizable body.

Amen. Stephen saw it, too!

Act 7:56 KJV And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

[ApostolicTexas]

Originally Posted by mfblume

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Let us look at what Stephen saw..Bro Blume you quoted Acts 7:56..but if you back up one it tells what He saw...

7:55-But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

He saw the glory of God...He did not see a literal man standing on a giant right hand..surely you do not believe it like that?

How can someone see the glory of God? 2 Cor 4:6


For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

Stephen saw a vision as well...He saw the glory of God..a vision..surely your not making it physical here too?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by ApostolicTexas

Let us look at what Stephen saw..Bro Blume you quoted Acts 7:56..but if you back up one it tells what He saw...

7:55-But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

He saw Jesus standing, brother.

He saw the glory of God...He did not see a literal man standing on a giant right hand..surely you do not believe it like that?

Who would get that idea out of what I said???? God has no right hand physically because He is omnipresent. Let's not get into a class on "God's Nature 101". That is kindergarten.

The right hand of God is POWER. And many SAW God's glory before. It has been described as Christ shining in LIGHT, etc. Stephen saw Jesus in that position of GLORY. This is similar to the experience of Christ on the Mount of Transfiguration.

How can someone see the glory of God? 2 Cor 4:6

You need to read morfe scritpure, my good brother.

Watch:

Luk 9:32 KJV But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: and when they were awake, they saw his glory, and the two men that stood with him.

For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

KNOWLEDGE OF GLORY is not GLORY.

Stephen saw a vision as well...He saw the glory of God..a vision..surely your not making it physical here too?

Visions are sometimes literal and sometimes not literal.

Act 9:12 KJV And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.

Was the above not fulfilled LITERALLY? Sure it was.

[ApostolicTexas]

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He saw Jesus standing, brother.

Your getting physical here..Did He see a literal physical body?

Who would get that idea out of what I said???? God has no right hand physically because He is omnipresent. Let's not get into a class on "God's Nature 101". That is kindergarten

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I agree...God has no hand ..Stephen saw the glory

The right hand of God is POWER. And many SAW God's glory before. It has been described as Christ shining in LIGHT, etc. Stephen saw Jesus in that position of GLORY. This is similar to the experience of Christ on the Mount of Transfiguration.

So how do you still retain Jesus is still physical after what you said here?Meaning still dwelling in the same body he left with?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by ApostolicTexas

Your getting physical here..Did He see a literal physical body?

You cannot see a body if it is not physical. What about my response to you that MEN DID SEE HIS GLORY when you questioned that and asked where did they ever see His glory?

I agree...God has no hand ..Stephen saw the glory

As men physically saw it as I quoted to you, when you said it cannot be seen physically.

Your getting physical here..Did He see a literal physical body?

Of course He did... .just as over 500 saw it after His resurrection. And you never responded to my note how that Paul joined himself to the group of over 500 when Paul referred to his experience in Acts 9, indicating Paul saw the same thing the 500 did. Not something different. All this, includiong the fact that the bible does not say He lost his physical body, tells us He retained it.

So how do you still retain Jesus is still physical after what you said here?Meaning still dwelling in the same body he left with?

Stephen saw his glory just as men saw the glory physically beforehand. And Stephen saw Jesus enough to recognize Him as Jesus, just as men did beforehand. This vision has all the elements of everything the 500, and others, saw. Add that to the fact that the bible says nothing about Him losing his physical body, and it all is the only sensible conclusion.

One has to add to the Bible in order to say the bible shows He does not still have that spiritual physical body.

[ApostolicTexas]

Originally Posted by mfblume

You cannot see a body if it is not physical. What about my response to you that MEN DID SEE HIS GLORY when you questioned that and asked where did they ever see His glory?



As men physically saw it as I quoted to you, when you said it cannot be seen physically.



Of course He did... .just as over 500 saw it after His resurrection. And you never responded to my note how that Paul joined himself to the group of over 500 when Paul referred to his experience in Acts 9, indicating Paul saw the same thing the 500 did. Not something different. All this, includiong the fact that the bible does not say He lost his physical body, tells us He retained it.



Stephen saw his glory just as men saw the glory physically beforehand. And Stephen saw Jesus enough to recognize Him as Jesus, just as men did beforehand. This vision has all the elements of everything the 500, and others, saw. Add that to the fact that the bible says nothing about Him losing his physical body, and it all is the only sensible conclusion.

One has to add to the Bible in order to say the bible shows He does not still have that spiritual physical body.

My point was and has been and it can be proven..which you seem to have a hard time understanding IS

Acts 1:9-11..the apostles present here witnessed Jesus ascend into the cloud..THEY were the last one to EVER see THAT body..Noone has seen it since...I find it ironic noone has seen Jesus in THAT body again..When Jesus DID appear to Saul it was NOT in THAT body He left the earth in..We do not have the reason why Jesus appeared that way to Saul but we know He did.

I do not deny a physical ressurected Christ...I deny that He today has retained that body he left with simply because He no longer needs it..

Flesh and blood cannot inherit the KOG...
Paul said He no longer knew Christ After the flesh..
Paul describes God..1 Tim 1:17 as He is and as He always has been..I believe Jesus was on the earth as the same time as God He indwelt heaven
John vision is nothing compared to the Jesus he saw post ressurection in all his glory..God is a Spirit...why would he need that body he left in? It was a vehicle,a tool a mode for the invisible to be seen visible..It is no longer needed..The blood was offered..The sin problem has been solved..God is now God as He has always been..He is not limited..He fills heaven and earth..as bad as others want to believe Jesus still is inside the body he left in..I simply just find no proof..and no reason for it to be so..Paul description of the body of Christ is the New Testament church made up of many members today..We are HIS body..People can see Jesus in us...[at least they should be able]We are ambassadors..representives..for the One True Invisible God...Jesus

Originally Posted by mfblume

Amen. Stephen saw it, too!

Shalom Shalom

Jesus is the Kingdom of GOD and Kingdom of Heaven.Be it that the Heaven was opened up be it then ,how can one of the naked eye see into what percieves as heavenly bodies above our heads,NOT.Moses saw the hinder parts of GOD ,does this mean he saw the back side of GOD?YES in perspective he saw the day of Christ being GOD manifested in flesh.SO Stephen imagination gave way to insight that Jesus is GOD a living SOUL ,the Law and Word by Jewish meaning and Theology.Ben Yoseph ,Ben David


Heavenly Flesh definition is soley one created by the Apostolic oneness groups .To promote what they deem as real instead of what is actually real doctrine.Catholics and Protestants really dont use this phrase or word and definition to difine Dualism or fully man and fully God.Apostolics simply borrow dualism from the catholics and claim it being biblical as they do.


Asternship

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Asternship

Shalom Shalom Heavenly Flesh definition is soley one created by the Apostolic oneness groups .To promote what they deem as real instead of what is actually real doctrine.Catholics and Protestants really dont use this phrase or word and definition to difine Dualism or fully man and fully God.Apostolics simply borrow dualism from the catholics and claim it being biblical as they do.


Asternship

Heavenly flesh doctrine is not Apostolic. The mainline Orthodox churches in Ethiopia preached this for many years. Research would better equip you to respond to this issue.

[ApostolicTexas]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

John saw one that sat on the throne,He could not have a saw an ethreal body ,He saw a recognizable body.

Brother Scott..John was in the spirit bro describing what he saw..he said one LIKE the son of man..But to say this is the same Jesus he saw after ressurection is not kosher..not the same..I believe what John saw in the Spirit was a description of Jesus as He is..in his glory..not in his physical frame he left with