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Old 08-21-2007, 05:32 PM
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Communication is found in the Bible Praxeas, clothes are found in the Bible, transportation is found in the Bible, eating meat is found in the Bible.
taking a life is found in the bible too. But you asked about specific KIND Of killing. So I am asking about specific KINDS Of communication.

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The New Testament church has not one instance of Jesus or His followers teaching self-defense especially defense with lethal force.
Prove to me that the OT is not to be used at all. Are you saying you never use the OT? BTW the NT has not one instance of Jesus or His followers teaching the use of electricity, pews, church buildings, PA systems, tracts, sunday schools a LOT Of things. That does not make them WRONG to do or use.

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Then were's your soild BIBLE refutation?
I refuted all of your assertions. When you make an assertion it's not someone else job to prove your assertions but to refute your assertions.
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Old 08-21-2007, 05:51 PM
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taking a life is found in the bible too. But you asked about specific KIND Of killing. So I am asking about specific KINDS Of communication.
What kind of killing Praxeas?

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Prove to me that the OT is not to be used at all.
Never said it wasn't Jesus is the consumation of the law. This is yet another strawman. I or L&F have never said anything like that. Again proving that it is YOU who are constantly presenting the strawman arguments. Proves us wrong with scripture Praxeas, it's starting to get boring.


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Are you saying you never use the OT?
No one is saying that, but since you're clearly ready to bring something forward by all means we await your argument.

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BTW the NT has not one instance of Jesus or His followers teaching the use of electricity, pews, church buildings, PA systems, tracts, sunday schools a LOT Of things. That does not make them WRONG to do or use.
We have presented scriptures you have presented philosophy. We still have a case you have nothing with any teeth to it. They had lamps, they had chairs, they had buildings, and YOU HAVE NO SCRIPTURAL DEFENCE.

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I refuted all of your assertions.
You see Praxeas that is just what you believe. Alas you have failed to present a strong case for your doctrine therefore it's non existent. All you have is a thought that what you believe is true. You cannot prove it in light of the Bible. Brother Matthew, L&F, and myself have given you scripture and you didn't refute anything. You played semantics and your argument fell short.



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When you make an assertion it's not someone else job to prove your assertions but to refute your assertions.
No, we are presenting scriptural facts it is then your job to prove it right or wrong. You have done nothing.


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Old 08-21-2007, 06:06 PM
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Alas you have failed to present a strong case for your doctrine therefore it's non existent.
I don't have a "doctrine" on weapons. What I have is a couple of people who feel they can judge someone for protecting their families and are trying desperately to use the bible to do it but have so far failed to show one scripture that condemns protecting peoples lives, even by violence. All you have done is shown that retribution is wrong, to which I agree.

My "doctrine" then is if the bible says to do it, we do it. If the bible says NOT to do it then we don't do it. Anything else is your own personal conviction.
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