Firearms Refresher Course

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

Oh brother! Talk about taking something completely out of context!!!!

I don't know about anyone else, but I said a man that doesn't provide is worse than an infidel, and I said this included protection. How you got that I called anyone on this forum an infidel is beyond me......unless they aren't providing protection to their families, and if that's the case, I stand by what I said.

And if you want to get technical, were you including everyone on this forum when you were being sarcastic about those who mention 'I think' or 'I believe' or 'perhaps' in their posts, as you did with me?

So if you do NOT know about anybody else, why say what you did? No one said this was just about YOU. Sorry about not mentioning your name.

As far as the "protection" thing: Sister, NO ONE has said it is wrong to protect. THE WHOLE ISSUE is about the limit of that protection. You taking the opposite side was one in the same as saying "protection=deadly force."

HeavenlyOne, Do you believe that a man's duty to his family includes being willing to use deadly force if needed? If he is unwilling, do you believe that he is worse than a infidel?

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

And I can post you doing the same thing. Want me to start my search now?

And you erroneously insinuated that I was of the 'no scripture' crowd. That is an untruth and you know it.

Again, it is NOT about using the pronoun "I". It is about using your own opinions instead of God's Word. Why not just list your scriptures? That is what is repeatedly being asked for.

Did you even read what I had posted?

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

png pong

It's all fun and games until somebody loses an i.


L&F I do rightly discern and declare that folks understood you yet have nevertheless availed themselves of this passage for the express purpose of funnin' you. And, as you probably already know, we only tease family.

Be careful with this gun stuff or you'll shoot your i out ! ! !

I just read your post. Thank you.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by DividedThigh

i beleive i allready love you bro, and i havent met you, like i said i give respect, if you knew me, you would know that, for your attitude you get my respect, god bless you too,dt

Gee thanks!

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Gee thanks!

You might want to pat him down and wand him before you hug him. He might be ahrmd undaynjirruss!

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

You might want to pat him down and wand him before you hug him. He might be ahrmd undaynjirruss!

Yep! Never know!

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Hey wait!

Where are you going to be preaching. I have a free weekend. I wanna go where you are to hear you preach. I am sure that I would greatly enjoy it. I am serious here.

Bump...

for L&F...

I'm serious.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

If a man is unwilling to do whatever it takes to stop an attacker from harming his family, he is worse than an infidel.

Abraham sacked a city and spoiled it in response to members of his extended family being captured. Afterwards, he partied and paid tithe. Abraham was a friend of God.

The law required an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. Things were set up to provide the best shot at fairness. Men were expected to avenge the blood of their kinsmen. God doesn't change, but now we have people who don't believe God wants them to be willing to fight for their families.

Brother Strange nailed it when he said that such actions, if needed, would be performed out of love for those protected.

I pray for protection, and I believe in divine protection. Yet many of God's mysterious ways of moving are through the words and deeds of men.

I wonder if EB and L&F have ever discussed this with their wives. I mean actually told them that if an intruder attacks the wife or kids that they aren't going to personally intervene, but rather ask God to do it. If this stance were explained prior to the wedding, most women would pause to reconsider the marriage.

While He was here, Jesus had needs in His flesh. Jesus met these needs of His flesh without sin. He ate, He drank, He slept, He built fires to keep warm, He obtained and wore clothing, He obtained and wore shoes, He got happy, He got sad and cried, He got angry and horsewhipped a bunch of heathen reprobates. Uh oh! Where did that come from??? oloroid

It isn't sin for us today to provide for the needs of our flesh. It's still a requirement for men to meet the needs of our families. EB and L&F, your wives and children need your leadership, your prayers, and your teaching, yes, but they also need your protection from evildoers in addition to the rent, clothes, and groceries.

The principles have been spelled out a hundred different ways here. Rather than acknowledge principles, a great deal of nitpicking the details has gone on. There is only one word for a person who doesn't want to acknowledge an inconvenient principle. There is only one word for a person who ducks behind a curtain of "chapter and verse only" (NT, by the way, if you please) when their hide is on the line.

What do you think of these examples?

My wife lived BY HERSELF in a drug dealer, homosexual neighborhood, for 3 years before we married. She was a devout, praying, fasting Apostolic Sister in Pastor Rooks' church (at the time they'd moved from Miami to Cooper City).
One night, she was witnessing to a teenage Haitian drug dealer at 1 a.m. (She had frequent prayer meetings with Haitians in the neighborhood and took those who wanted to, to her church). She was standing with him on the sidewalk in front of her home with a bright street lamp about 20 feet away between her home and the neighbor's. As she spoke to him, 2 men walked towards them, as she likes to say, "slithered" towards them. She felt danger and suddenly felt in the Holy Ghost to lift her arms and worship the Lord Jesus Christ. They gave her sidelong glances as she was doing this, exchanged some words with the Haitian boy, and then walked off across the street.

Abuelita, a sweet old time Apostolic Colombian who passed away a couple of years ago, had many dangerous situations. Once some armed men approached her to mug her and she rebuked them in Jesus name. Her daughter yelled, "Mom! Give them the purse!" She said "No!" and rebuked them and walked right on by.

Another Colombian Sister, (mother of a Pastor), with another Sister, were witnessing in the hill country of Columbia and an angry farmer released two bulls who charged the Sisters. One of the Sisters spun around, held out her Bible, and yelled, "In JESUS NAME!" The bulls froze and started walking backwards!

My wife and I live on faith and she completely understood this prior to our wedding. We have traveled all over America and have been in situations that would make your hair stand on end. All I can say to you, is that Jesus has always taken care of us. I pray Jesus will also take care of you when your firearms fail to stop the attackers.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Sis,

I have bowed out of this, as I do not see anything being accomplished out of it. But I will answer you because you have asked.

I gave scripture that from my viewpoint would not allow someone to use deadly force on an enemy.

Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

While I know it is possible to stop someone from doing violence to another through means other than deadly force, because I had a job that required me to do such, I do not see where one can fulfill this scripture and use deadly force on someone at the same time.

For my belief I have now been labeled as "too spiritual" and "worse than an infidel". Since I do not particularly like to be victimized, I am doing the non-violent thing , and simply not posting here further. You folks that can figure out how to blow some robbers brains out and love him at the same time can have at it. I will do my best to live my convictions, and should I fail in the time of testing, I have an advocate with the Father.

Wonderful post and good words. The Lord bless you Brother Matthew.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

So if you do NOT know about anybody else, why say what you did? No one said this was just about YOU. Sorry about not mentioning your name.

Um....I didn't say it was just about me, which is why I said 'I don't know about anybody else', since I wasn't the only one who mentioned infidels.

As far as the "protection" thing: Sister, NO ONE has said it is wrong to protect. THE WHOLE ISSUE is about the limit of that protection. You taking the opposite side was one in the same as saying "protection=deadly force."

But some of you justify what you believe is protection, having no scripture to back you up, but then tell others that since they have no scripture to back them up they are wrong. Can't have it both ways.

One poster said it was ok to grab an attacker and stop him without using deadly force, but gave no scripture. Do you know where the scriptural justification is for that belief? I can't find it.

HeavenlyOne, Do you believe that a man's duty to his family includes being willing to use deadly force if needed? If he is unwilling, do you believe that he is worse than a infidel?

I wouldn't say that, no, because it's too broad a statement to even make, and I'm not sure that willingness truly plays a part in those scenarios, given the fear involved in those times. In times of fear, our parasympathetic system gets going into a 'fight or flight' episode, and we really don't have much of a choice to disregard what our brain is telling us.

For instance, if you are sitting down reading the newspaper, and without warning, someone slaps you across the face, your reaction WILL NOT BE to turn the other cheek, even though you might premeditate that you would do so.

Likewise, when someone enters your home unannounced and you see that he is armed and threatening your family, you will not just sit with your newspaper in hand, hoping God will take care of that man and get him out of your house.

Do you see what I mean here? We can premeditate what we would do, but in reality, that might not happen at all, regardless what side of the issue one is on.

The same can be said of those who would use deadly force. In all honesty, while I can premeditate that, I would be shaking so bad from fear that I would blow my own head off before I could aim the gun at him!

I've heard a lot of interesting things on this thread all the same.