The Difference Between the PCI of the Merger and the Current Counterfeits

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Sabellius

"The three verbs [as] primarily metaphors of salvation, each expressing a special facet of their conversion in light of the preceding sentences: they had been “washed” from the filth of their former life-styles expressed in the preceding list; they had been “sanctified,” set apart by God for holy, godly living that stands in stark contrast to their former wickedness; though formerly “unjust,” they had been justified, so that now right with God they may inherit the kingdom that before they could not. Each of the verbs is thus chosen for contextual, not dogmatic, reasons; and their sequence is theologically irrelevant. "*
* Gordon D. Fee, The New International Commentary on the New Testament, The First Epistle to the Corinthians (Grand Rapids, MI: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 1987), 246.

This being true, we are surely saved when we believe in and submit to the finished work of Jesus Christ.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by crakjak

This being true, we are surely saved when we believe in and submit to the finished work of Jesus Christ.

Do you not see believing and submission as two different things? Does not submission require action of some kind?

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by rrford

Do you not see believing and submission as two different things? Does not submission require action of some kind?

I can see the question, however would one submit until one has believed?

[rrford]

Originally Posted by crakjak

I can see the question, however would one submit until one has believed?

And there is the conundrum solved by Bonhoeffer. Yet, we know that belief and submission are 2 separate acts. And of one is required before the other then it leads onward to asking when is one saved.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by rrford

And there is the conundrum solved by Bonhoeffer. Yet, we know that belief and submission are 2 separate acts. And of one is required before the other then it leads onward to asking when is one saved.

I like what Paul says in Romans 5, but of course, like an infant child may be perfect yet not if one stays an infant.


(Romans 5.1) "Therefore, being JUSTIFIED by FAITH, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Through whom also we have access by FAITH into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by crakjak

I like what Paul says in Romans 5, but of course, like an infant child may be perfect yet not if one stays an infant.


(Romans 5.1) "Therefore, being JUSTIFIED by FAITH, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Through whom also we have access by FAITH into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

Notice the past, present and future aspects of the verse.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by rrford

Notice the past, present and future aspects of the verse.

Amen, it is very progressive. If one's faith does not progress to works it would be reasonable to question that faith. However, it could be due to malnutrition, no one nurturing.