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Old 08-24-2007, 03:30 PM
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Me too, Jeanie. That's what I think is terribly sad about it. They don't cite adultry or anything like that, so why can't they slow themselves down to save their marriage? When I was very young, I heard a pastor say, "If I save the world, but lose my family in the process, what a fool I have been." I have never forgotten those words to this day....
it should be about putting family first-

although I can not thoroughly speak for these folks why their marriage disintegrated although it does seem that ministry has gotten in the way some how.
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Old 08-24-2007, 06:39 PM
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it should be about putting family first-

although I can not thoroughly speak for these folks why their marriage disintegrated although it does seem that ministry has gotten in the way some how.
It seems like we are all pretty much on the same page here. It really bothers me that what begain as ministries end up being about the celebrity or the person who says it's "My ministry"...it's scary and bothersome. I think this is the result of allowing the world to affect the church and a somewhat erroneous church model of government. The really scary thing is, when you become big, you don't have to worry about a church government. You can break free and be independent and still be larger than life, rich and powerful.
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It seems like we are all pretty much on the same page here. It really bothers me that what begain as ministries end up being about the celebrity or the person who says it's "My ministry"...it's scary and bothersome. I think this is the result of allowing the world to affect the church and a somewhat erroneous church model of government. The really scary thing is, when you become big, you don't have to worry about a church government. You can break free and be independent and still be larger than life, rich and powerful.
All too often, success, as the world views it, causes some to think that it's their Kingdom instead of God's Kingdom.......



oh yeah...alimony cometh.....
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All too often, success, as the world views it, causes some to think that it's their Kingdom instead of God's Kingdom.......



oh yeah...alimony cometh.....
Right...apparently this was not new. Many kings were blinded by powerlust and it went to their head. Even David was overcome for a while.

1Pe 5:2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;
1Pe 5:3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being examples to the flock.
1Pe 5:4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.
1Pe 5:5 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.
1Pe 5:6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:
1Pe 5:7 Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.
1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
1Pe 5:9 Whom resist steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.
1Pe 5:10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, establish, strengthen, settle you.
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