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[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Pelathais, don't do that with me, please it's late over here on the East Coast and all I wanted was an answer from a one line question.
How about you explain the scripture. We don't need to get philosophical.

Sorry, I was just beginning to post when they started to lock up, so I ended with only a wise crack. I'm home now and I'm certain that I've missed you for this evening/morn (or at least I hope you don't keep the hours that I do). As far as being "philosophical..." No promises.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I'm going to tell Him that I read the Bible, you're going to tell Him that you read Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle.

Ah, but He would know that I was lying because Socrates never wrote anything at all for later generations to read. But, I'm getting "philosophical" already...

As I was catching up on the posts it appears that TrulyBlessed has already answered the question about the Great White Throne judgement. Though there are of course many interpretations, Apostolics have usually held that the judgement of Revelation 20, that you cited is for "sinners" and that "saints" are judged separately at:

1) At Calvary's cross Romans 5:8
2) Our own self-judgment 1 Corinthians 11:31 (if we judge ourselves we shall not be judged...)
3) The Judgement Seat of Christ (Gr. Bema) 2 Corinthians 5:10 (compared to the Great White Throne Judgment - Gr. thronos)

Your's was not a "yes or no" type of question. At this link there is a pic from Larkin's classic treatment of The Book of Revelation. Notice toward the left side of the pic, near the top (along with the Rapture) you have The Judgement Seat of Christ (Gr. βημα) and all the way to the right there is The Great White Throne Judgment (Gr. θρονον λευκον μεγαν ): two different terms for each event.

Two different "judgements." One for those who have received the free gift of salvation and one for those who did not. Those who are judged in the verses you cite are condemned by their own works and thus God is justified in His judgments.

For the believer; works are good, but they don't really appear to impress God (Romans 4:2).

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Sorry, I was just beginning to post when they started to lock up, so I ended with only a wise crack. I'm home now and I'm certain that I've missed you for this evening/morn (or at least I hope you don't keep the hours that I do). As far as being "philosophical..." No promises.

Ah, but He would know that I was lying because Socrates never wrote anything at all for later generations to read. But, I'm getting "philosophical" already...

As I was catching up on the posts it appears that TrulyBlessed has already answered the question about the Great White Throne judgement. Though there are of course many interpretations, Apostolics have usually held that the judgement of Revelation 20, that you cited is for "sinners" and that "saints" are judged separately at:

1) At Calvary's cross Romans 5:8
2) Our own self-judgment 1 Corinthians 11:31 (if we judge ourselves we shall not be judged...)
3) The Judgement Seat of Christ (Gr. Bema) 2 Corinthians 5:10 (compared to the Great White Throne Judgment - Gr. thronos)

Your's was not a "yes or no" type of question. At this link there is a pic from Larkin's classic treatment of The Book of Revelation. Notice toward the left side of the pic, near the top (along with the Rapture) you have The Judgement Seat of Christ (Gr. βημα) and all the way to the right there is The Great White Throne Judgment (Gr. θρονον λευκον μεγαν ): two different terms for each event.

Two different "judgements." One for those who have received the free gift of salvation and one for those who did not. Those who are judged in the verses you cite are condemned by their own works and thus God is justified in His judgments.

For the believer; works are good, but they don't really appear to impress God (Romans 4:2).

No problem, just thought you would be able to presents your thoughts on the "works" that are found in Revelation. I'm far from being a Dispensationlist, and so I don't view eschatology as Clearence Larkin (Larkin was against tongue talkers).

Lets see where Jesus makes an eschatological statement coupled with "works".

Mat 16:24-28

"Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? FOR the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall REWARD every man ACCORDING TO HIS WORKS. Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."

In Matthew 16:24-28 Jesus starts out by telling His followers to lead a sacrificial life and that by doing that they will obtain salvation through the cross they carry. Jesus speaks of one denying themselves, and therefore not losing their souls, but gaining eternal life. We then have Jesus going to explain the REWARDS of their denying the world and accepting the way of cross. Therefore at the judgement they are judged by their works, or should I say FRUIT.

Do you believe what Larkin believes yes or no? I'm not having a discussion with Larkin, I'm having a discussion with you. So do you agree with Larkin?

In Jesus Name

Brother Benincasa

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