Ancient Monarchians and Trinitarians

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by BobDylan

Jewish continuity

Early Christianity retained many of the doctrines and practices of Judaism. They held the Jewish scriptures to be authoritative and sacred, employing mostly the Septuagint translation as the Old Testament, and added other texts as the New Testament canon developed. Christianity also continued other Judaic practices: liturgical worship, including the use of incense, an altar, a set of scriptural readings adapted from synagogue practice, use of sacred music in hymns and prayer, and a religious calendar, as well as other distinctive features such as an exclusively male priesthood, and ascetic practices (fasting etc.).

The early Christians in first century believed Jehovah to be the Only true God, the God of Israel, and considered Jesus to be the Messiah (Christ) prophesied in the Old Testament.

From : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Christianity

Bob,

I've really enjoyed reading your conversation with Believer on early church history.

For Paul, a Hebrew of the Hebrews, the identity of the man, Jesus Christ, is a no-brainer. For Christ to be called God, He has to be the same God, now revealed in flesh and blood, who the Jews worshipped for thousands of years.

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Bob,

I've really enjoyed reading your conversation with Believer on early church history.

For Paul, a Hebrew of the Hebrews, the identity of the man, Jesus Christ, is a no-brainer. For Christ to be called God, He has to be the same God, now revealed in flesh and blood, who the Jews worshipped for thousands of years.

Thanks for the nice words Mizpeh. I just wish Beleiver wouldn't have been banned. If he would have attempted following my thought processes, I think he would have either soon found himself admittedly in a quagmire of false inclinations, or he would have incessantly resorted unquestioningly to biased ecclesiastical history to hold together his postion. Well, maybe in 7 days we can get back into the discussion. I wish St. Matthew would have understood. For instance, say we deal with the trinitarians one at a time.... as long as they don't assume an offensive posture we can keep them around. But when they start getting offensive and lashing out etc. then we can ban them.... for some of the trinitarians out there, the only way they are going to be in contact with "thinking" apostolics are on forums like this!

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by BobDylan

Thanks for the nice words Mizpeh. I just wish Beleiver wouldn't have been banned. If he would have attempted following my thought processes, I think he would have either soon found himself admittedly in a quagmire of false inclinations, or he would have incessantly resorted unquestioningly to biased ecclesiastical history to hold together his postion. Well, maybe in 7 days we can get back into the discussion. I wish St. Matthew would have understood. For instance, say we deal with the trinitarians one at a time.... as long as they don't assume an offensive posture we can keep them around. But when they start getting offensive and lashing out etc. then we can ban them.... for some of the trinitarians out there, the only way they are going to be in contact with "thinking" apostolics are on forums like this!

Well it's obvious he was evading your question. I would have liked to have seen the discussion played out. But I'm not sure he would have responded to your question with anything of substance, just more evasion. I doubt he will want to openly finish this discussion to prevent being banned again. Maybe you can speak to him in pm's.

I've read Tertullian's Against Praxeas and started reading Hippolytus's Against the Heresies but got side tracked. This conversation has sparked my interest again. What reference materials do you suggest on early church history?

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Well it's obvious he was evading your question. I would have liked to have seen the discussion played out. But I'm not sure he would have responded to your question with anything of substance, just more evasion. I doubt he will want to openly finish this discussion to prevent being banned again. Maybe you can speak to him in pm's.

I've read Tertullian's Against Praxeas and started reading Hippolytus's Against the Heresies but got side tracked. This conversation has sparked my interest again. What reference materials do you suggest on early church history?

I strongly suggest anything Bro. Willam B.Chalfant has published. He is very pointed in his opinions, and some may disagree, but his histories are immensely informative. He documents everything he writes, so you can reference the material yourself effeciently without having to trudge through nonconsequential stuff... Thomas Weisser is also very good.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by BobDylan

I strongly suggest anything Bro. Willam B.Chalfant has published. He is very pointed in his opinions, and some may disagree, but his histories are immensely informative. He documents everything he writes, so you can reference the material yourself effeciently without having to trudge through nonconsequential stuff... Thomas Weisser is also very good.