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Old 09-02-2007, 01:55 AM
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Old 09-02-2007, 02:36 AM
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A sign of the times, CR.
The REAL sign of the times is what went on at NAYC....

The UPCI is headed in the wrong direction my friend....

It truly is sad that Lighthouse Ranch, Tupelo, etc. etc. etc. will have to suffer BECAUSE OF THE BAD DECISIONS OF THE LEADERSHIP (I.E. HAZLEWOOD) OF THE UPCI... not the local pastors who disagree with the direction of the organization. I know pastors, who instead of routing their monies through UPCI foreign missions (and having about 2/3 taken out for "administrative costs") are sending their monies directly to the missionaries themselves, and they are receiving 100% of the money, instead of just 1/3.... Also, pastors can support Lighthouse Ranch and Tupelo directly without having to route their money through Hazlewood. What the local pastor are trying to do is withold support the worldly agendas of hazlewood moneygrabbers and displays of carnality as seen at NAYC...

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Old 09-02-2007, 07:26 AM
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The REAL sign of the times is what went on at NAYC....

The UPCI is headed in the wrong direction my friend....

It truly is sad that Lighthouse Ranch, Tupelo, etc. etc. etc. will have to suffer BECAUSE OF THE BAD DECISIONS OF THE LEADERSHIP (I.E. HAZLEWOOD) OF THE UPCI... not the local pastors who disagree with the direction of the organization. I know pastors, who instead of routing their monies through UPCI foreign missions (and having about 2/3 taken out for "administrative costs") are sending their monies directly to the missionaries themselves, and they are receiving 100% of the money, instead of just 1/3.... Also, pastors can support Lighthouse Ranch and Tupelo directly without having to route their money through Hazlewood. What the local pastor are trying to do is withold support the worldly agendas of hazlewood moneygrabbers and displays of carnality as seen at NAYC...

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The REAL sign of the times is what went on at NAYC....

The UPCI is headed in the wrong direction my friend....

It truly is sad that Lighthouse Ranch, Tupelo, etc. etc. etc. will have to suffer BECAUSE OF THE BAD DECISIONS OF THE LEADERSHIP (I.E. HAZLEWOOD) OF THE UPCI... not the local pastors who disagree with the direction of the organization. I know pastors, who instead of routing their monies through UPCI foreign missions (and having about 2/3 taken out for "administrative costs") are sending their monies directly to the missionaries themselves, and they are receiving 100% of the money, instead of just 1/3.... Also, pastors can support Lighthouse Ranch and Tupelo directly without having to route their money through Hazlewood. What the local pastor are trying to do is withold support the worldly agendas of hazlewood moneygrabbers and displays of carnality as seen at NAYC...

JMHO

Hazelwood moneygrabbers? Really?!! And you know this - how?

Those pastors who send funds directly to missionaries are acting in defiance of the group they pay dues to and they're also doing a disservice to the missionaries themselves putting them in the position of also acting counter to the way things are supposed to work re FMD of the UPCI.

What about being submitted to the authorities and those in leadership over you?
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Old 09-02-2007, 08:35 AM
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Hazelwood moneygrabbers? Really?!! And you know this - how?

Those pastors who send funds directly to missionaries are acting in defiance of the group they pay dues to and they're also doing a disservice to the missionaries themselves putting them in the position of also acting counter to the way things are supposed to work re FMD of the UPCI.

What about being submitted to the authorities and those in leadership over you?
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Hazelwood moneygrabbers? Really?!! And you know this - how?

Those pastors who send funds directly to missionaries are acting in defiance of the group they pay dues to and they're also doing a disservice to the missionaries themselves putting them in the position of also acting counter to the way things are supposed to work re FMD of the UPCI.

What about being submitted to the authorities and those in leadership over you?
Excellent post.

Oh but wait, you used the "S" word in reference to MEN! Now you know that word only applies to the ladies! TONGUE FIRMLY IN MY CHEEK!
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Hazelwood moneygrabbers? Really?!! And you know this - how?

Those pastors who send funds directly to missionaries are acting in defiance of the group they pay dues to and they're also doing a disservice to the missionaries themselves putting them in the position of also acting counter to the way things are supposed to work re FMD of the UPCI.

What about being submitted to the authorities and those in leadership over you?

Hazlewood has no spiritual authority over anyone. My post that you quoted was an example of how Hazlewook is a "moneygrabbing" machine. Missionaries only get about 1/3 of the monies they raise once it goes through FD....
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Hazlewood has no spiritual authority over anyone. My post that you quoted was an example of how Hazlewook is a "moneygrabbing" machine. Missionaries only get about 1/3 of the monies they raise once it goes through FD....
This post proves that so many have NO CLUE as to what really happens at HQ.........BD your bitterness is showing.....your numbers are off..........Personally I would hate to pastor people with that kind of mind set......look out BD.... the sky is fallin.........
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Hazlewood has no spiritual authority over anyone. .
You are right...Hazelwood doesn't. But the leadership that resides at Hazelwood (and elsewhere) DOES have spiritual authority.

That authority is understood when one applies for and accepts license with the organization. Submission is not forced, it is simply understood and expected. (And I'm not talking about the "blind", "no questions asked" kind either.)

Oops...theres that "S" word again...
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My understanding is that the funds are being sent direct to the sources instead of going through HQ. So the funds are not being withheld from the sources, but just the middleman (HQ) is being cut out.



The law of harvest says, saints will start sending their tithes directly to the source they feel it should go.

Just a thought.

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