What is a Happening Church to you? What is a Dead church?

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

My original answer remains the same ... and so do my posts ... Thanks for asking.

So I am left with the impression that you simply do not know what you believe, or that you are lying to us all. As you first state that you believe that Water baptism is to be done in Jesus name, and then you spend the rest of the thread tearing down that very doctrine.

Let me state that I have posted with you thus far as a poster. I am now stepping in as an admin to let you know that the propagation of ANY doctrine that undermines the doctrine of the Oneness of God, or that Jesus name baptism is the biblical mode of water baptism is not welcomed here. If you want to continue down that course, then Admin will take action. We will allow debate as to whether one is saved at belief, or at baptism, or at the reception of the Holy Ghost. But we will NOT allow debate as to any of these topics not being biblical.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

So I am left with the impression that you simply do not know what you believe, or that you are lying to us all. As you first state that you believe that Water baptism is to be done in Jesus name, and then you spend the rest of the thread tearing down that very doctrine.

Let me state that I have posted with you thus far as a poster. I am now stepping in as an admin to let you know that the propagation of ANY doctrine that undermines the doctrine of the Oneness of God, or that Jesus name baptism is the biblical mode of water baptism is not welcomed here. If you want to continue down that course, then Admin will take action. We will allow debate as to whether one is saved at belief, or at baptism, or at the reception of the Holy Ghost. But we will NOT allow debate as to any of these topics not being biblical.

You're entitled to an opinion ... but to imply I am lying is troublesome.

I will chalk it up to frustration or an inability to construct meaning from my posts.

No one is undermining Oneness Apostolic doctrine ... although I can see this as being threatening to some who would have to re-adjust a century long feud w/ Trinitarians ...

Furthermore ... I don't think there are but only a handful PCIers on this forum that would quibble w/ anything I've posted in this thread.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

You're entitled to an opinion ... but to imply I am lying is troublesome.

I will chalk it up to frustration or an inability to construct meaning from my posts.

No one is undermining Oneness Apostolic doctrine ... although I can see this as being threatening to some who would have to re-adjust a century long feud w/ Trinitarians ...

Furthermore ... I don't think there are but only a handful PCIers on this forum that would quibble w/ anything I've posted in this thread.

If I stated that I am a dog lover, and then spent the remainder of the thread discussing how ugly and evil dogs are, what more can a person think but that I am not really being truthful with my initial post. You post that it is biblical, and then spend the remainder of the thread trying to undermine it. You are found to be fighting against what you stated that you believe.

The problem is, you are not just debating whether trinitarians are saved or not, you are undermining the fact that Jesus name baptism is biblically correct doctrine. Maybe you do not see that in your attempt to "enlighten" all of us full salvation folks that you are doing this. But you are.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

If I stated that I am a dog lover, and then spent the remainder of the thread discussing how ugly and evil dogs are, what more can a person think but that I am not really being truthful with my initial post. You post that it is biblical, and then spend the remainder of the thread trying to undermine it. You are found to be fighting against what you stated that you believe.

The problem is, you are not just debating whether trinitarians are saved or not, you are undermining the fact that Jesus name baptism is biblically correct doctrine. Maybe you do not see that in your attempt to "enlighten" all of us full salvation folks that you are doing this. But you are.

I have only criticized the PAJC Water and Spirit view ... Matt, you know that better than I that everything stated here is in line w/ the Oneness Apostolic PCI view.

I have clarified starting w/ post 36 what I believe being a people of His name means ... the position that we are saved by grace through faith , and the meaning of baptism into His name as understood by PCI pentecostals and most of the Protestant world.

If you cannot refute what I've posted then don't ... I'm sure someone will pick up where you have left off.