Is the Father the Son?

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

BTW, there are Oneness believers that believe in Eternal Sonship ...

This issue is only an issue to most PAJC Oneness believers primarily because of their soteriological view, namely a baptismal formula ....

as long as that's the case ... you will see those who place their trust in Jesus Christ and enter into a binding relationship w/ him ... as lost ... and just well-intentioned.

If they are born of God and are filled w/ His Spirit .... they are my brethren .. . regardless if I view their explanation of God as lacking.

Your focus is in being able to explain God ... when He yearns for relationship.

My prayer is that of Jesus ... make us one .... as He and the Father are One.

Dan, thank you for confirming this. As a Oneness believer I've always had an issue the doctrine that says that the Sonship will end. When I hear Oneness claim that the Son will someday end, I cringe at the thought. I don't think they understand what they're saying.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Willy Jacks

Dan, thank you for confirming this. As a Oneness believer I've always had an issue the doctrine that says that the Sonship will end. When I hear Oneness claim that the Son will someday end, I cringe at the thought. I don't think they understand what they're saying.

He was responding to what I said about the doctrine of an eternal Son, as in eternal generation and the second person of the Trinity. I'm not sure why he mentioned eternal Sonship.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Willy Jacks

Dan, thank you for confirming this. As a Oneness believer I've always had an issue the doctrine that says that the Sonship will end. When I hear Oneness claim that the Son will someday end, I cringe at the thought. I don't think they understand what they're saying.

The word they used means a numerical one.

Originally Posted by mizpeh

The word they used means a numerical one.

what?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Willy Jacks

Dan, thank you for confirming this. As a Oneness believer I've always had an issue the doctrine that says that the Sonship will end. When I hear Oneness claim that the Son will someday end, I cringe at the thought. I don't think they understand what they're saying.

Willy Dan isn't talking about the Sonship ENDING. He's talking about a Sonship that has always existed...like Trinitarians..Father and Son before the world began

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Willy Dan isn't talking about the Sonship ENDING. He's talking about a Sonship that has always existed...like Trinitarians..Father and Son before the world began

Well, if dan said the Son always existed, then that would speak to the future as well? I took it as meaning eternally.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by Willy Jacks

Well, if dan said the Son always existed, then that would speak to the future as well? I took it as meaning eternally.

The son existed - in that God saw from the beginning of time he would redeem mankind by the sacrifice of the son- giving himself.

There was not a seperate person(s) at anytime.

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

The son existed - in that God saw from the beginning of time he would redeem mankind by the sacrifice of the son- giving himself.

There was not a seperate person(s) at anytime.

It would be helpful if you would posts scriptures to back this up. thanks

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

The son existed - in that God saw from the beginning of time he would redeem mankind by the sacrifice of the son- giving himself.

There was not a seperate person(s) at anytime.

Show scripture please.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Willy Jacks

Well, if dan said the Son always existed, then that would speak to the future as well? I took it as meaning eternally.

Dan's argument was about the Son always existing, not "never ending", which many OPs believe the Son is not going to end.