Why are UPC church's so sectarian?

Originally Posted by crazyhomie

If there is so much truth in UPC, then why are folks so threatened by others who do not believe the same. Truthfully, most married couples don't agree on everything, some republican and democrat, but still live in the same house. Why is it that UPC pastors discourage their saints to fellowship even with others who are more liberal than they are? My brother wants to know.

Tis true, we have heard that the UPCi has 100% Truth. And even though Bro Haney has implored us to invade other denominations with the Truth, many within are threatened by them and have ignored his charge.

It's a Holy Ghost check if their ever was one.

In fact, they are threatened of one another sometimes, whether within the oneness apostolic movement, or the UPCi. Some liberal pastors are threatened by their members visiting more conservative groups as well. I thought I would throw that in for balance and because I'm watching it happen currently.

Very unChristian and unBiblical indeed.

Nevertheless, some of my ex-Amish friends are amazed at the control some that do not rule well try to wield in their lives. Thankfully, they have enough brothers and sisters in Christ to counter it with encouragement and sound doctrine.

My burden and time spent within other groups, mostly more conservative Anabaptists, slowly cost me the support of my former pastor and his followers. They wanted me involved within their four walled ministry that they had constructed, God wanted something else. He believed that he would always hear from God before us, and since he didn't get the message personally, prior to us, it was "never given," and I'm some kind of irresponsible rebellious unteachable.

As I tried to explain my burden for the Anabaptist movement, he informed me that an Amish man that was building his monster house smoked a pipe, so I'm wasting my time basically.

No matter, all is forgiven, I simply left not long after to follow my calling. I was in the middle of some radical studying when God just called me out along with another family that, unknown to me, was involved with similar studies and felt the same calling to leave.

Love it or leave it!?

Yeah, I do both. I love the UPCi and its members no matter their shortcomings and doctrines of men, but I had to follow God's leading. He's been faithful all of the way, even when I struggled within the clefts of the Rock.

Someday they will understand, even if I make the powers that be a little uneasy with my presence and early church teachings. I mean no harm and have not caused any trouble. I cite my references instead of calling on the traditions of men.

Tell your brother I said hello.

Originally Posted by Theophilus

Tis true, we have heard that the UPCi has 100% Truth. And even though Bro Haney has implored us to invade other denominations with the Truth, many within are threatened by them and have ignored his charge.

It's a Holy Ghost check if their ever was one.

In fact, they are threatened of one another sometimes, whether within the oneness apostolic movement, or the UPCi. Some liberal pastors are threatened by their members visiting more conservative groups as well. I thought I would throw that in for balance and because I'm watching it happen currently.

Very unChristian and unBiblical indeed.

Nevertheless, some of my ex-Amish friends are amazed at the control some that do not rule well try to wield in their lives. Thankfully, they have enough brothers and sisters in Christ to counter it with encouragement and sound doctrine.

My burden and time spent within other groups, mostly more conservative Anabaptists, slowly cost me the support of my former pastor and his followers. They wanted me involved within their four walled ministry that they had constructed, God wanted something else. He believed that he would always hear from God before us, and since he didn't get the message personally, prior to us, it was "never given," and I'm some kind of irresponsible rebellious unteachable.

As I tried to explain my burden for the Anabaptist movement, he informed me that an Amish man that was building his monster house smoked a pipe, so I'm wasting my time basically.

No matter, all is forgiven, I simply left not long after to follow my calling. I was in the middle of some radical studying when God just called me out along with another family that, unknown to me, was involved with similar studies and felt the same calling to leave.

Love it or leave it!?

Yeah, I do both. I love the UPCi and its members no matter their shortcomings and doctrines of men, but I had to follow God's leading. He's been faithful all of the way, even when I struggled within the clefts of the Rock.

Someday they will understand, even if I make the powers that be a little uneasy with my presence and early church teachings. I mean no harm and have not caused any trouble. I cite my references instead of calling on the traditions of men.

Tell your brother I said hello.

My brother says Hi and God bless you and the work you are doing. It's sad that you have to leave the UPC to win the lost, or is it the lost our sitting on the benches worried about their own salvation? Anyway we'll never now will we? Isn't it funny how ever church thinks they're right including the baptists down the street? Who is lost anyway? Think about it, the blind leading the blind. Galatians 3:1 Ck it out.

Originally Posted by crazyhomie

My brother says Hi and God bless you and the work you are doing. It's sad that you have to leave the UPC to win the lost, or is it the lost our sitting on the benches worried about their own salvation? Anyway we'll never now will we? Isn't it funny how ever church thinks they're right including the baptists down the street? Who is lost anyway? Think about it, the blind leading the blind. Galatians 3:1 Ck it out.

I'm trying to win the lost from off of the benches too, but some are too complacent with their reserved arrangement. I pray they make it.

Paul deals with this division nicely in 1 Cor 1:

10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. 12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. 13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

It appears that these denominations where mostly either started by one man's theology or also literally named after him. You'd think that might stand out to Christendom like a big red flag.