Why are UPC church's so sectarian?

Originally Posted by CareyM

Amen, Sherri!

There's so much politics in the UPC it makes me sick! Some of our UPC are more accepted by other oneness organizations over their own...something's not right here.

It's called an unsurrendered heart. Wanting to be worshipped instead of worshipping Jesus. Elevating ourselves above the master. Holier than God by requiring more than God requires.

[LaVonne]

Originally Posted by crazyhomie

It's called an unsurrendered heart. Wanting to be worshipped instead of worshipping Jesus. Elevating ourselves above the master. Holier than God by requiring more than God requires.

You're right...

[Steve Epley]

If you put a dirty sock in a box of clean socks which will affect which? A bad apple in with good apple? Anyone ever read Haggai 2:11-13? The power of the unclean?

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

If you put a dirty sock in a box of clean socks which will affect which? A bad apple in with good apple? Anyone ever read Haggai 2:11-13? The power of the unclean?

Finally, a voice of true reason. Thank you Bro Epley for your post.

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

If you put a dirty sock in a box of clean socks which will affect which? A bad apple in with good apple? Anyone ever read Haggai 2:11-13? The power of the unclean?

Originally Posted by UltraCon

Finally, a voice of true reason. Thank you Bro Epley for your post.

Wow...I wonder how much Jesus was dirtied by all those publicans and sinners he hung out with.........or how His message was diluted by all the dialog He had with the Pharisees.......

Originally Posted by RevDWW

Wow...I wonder how much Jesus was dirtied by all those publicans and sinners he hung out with.........or how His message was diluted by all the dialog He had with the Pharisees.......

amen rev. I read somewhere "greater is he that is in you than he that is in the world"

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

Wow...I wonder how much Jesus was dirtied by all those publicans and sinners he hung out with.........or how His message was diluted by all the dialog He had with the Pharisees.......

Jesus was preaching TO them they were NOT preaching to Him.

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Jesus was preaching TO them they were NOT preaching to Him.

Jesus was eating with them was He not? Jesus had dialog with them. He brought truth to them. Shouldn't we be doing the same, if we want to truly be Christ like? You can not win or change those you will not love. Jesus loved us first, while we were still sinners.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Jesus was preaching TO them they were NOT preaching to Him.

I think you lost this one...give it up.(lol) How do you know they didn't preach to him, are you kidding, they wanted to kill him. Just because the scrbes didn't record their conversations, or maybe they did, but the manuscripts were hidden away somewhere? Who knows. They called him every name in the book. Had they preached to him do you really think it would of made a difference. He was secure in his identity, thats why he could be who he was and change lives merely by his presence. The devil isn't jsut in the sinners, there's more devil in the church.

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

Wow...I wonder how much Jesus was dirtied by all those publicans and sinners he hung out with.........or how His message was diluted by all the dialog He had with the Pharisees.......

Nice switcheroo. oloroid

. . . . or were you admitting that liberal Apostolics are in need of being evangelized by the conservatives?

The discussion was on fellowship, which is where two groups get together and by and large declare each other to be equivalent, i.e., not lost, not teaching false doctrine, etc.

The discussion was not about reaching the dirty sinners in their squalid environs.

There is an endless siren song for compromise. Some want big things, and others are willing to peck away at it little by little.

Those liberals that ask conservatives to fellowship them are asking the conservatives to de-value some of the beliefs and teachings they value, by tacitly declaring the lack of said beliefs to be equivalent.