The Persecution of Women in the Church

[The Mrs]

This has been an interesting thread CH...I didn't realize the early church had such a hand in the degradation of women. And that it's lasted this long for so many centuries.

Do you think our modern society, with the liberties women have embraced in the last couple decades, is getting closer to the ideal treatment of women Christ had in mind?

Originally Posted by The Mrs

This has been an interesting thread CH...I didn't realize the early church had such a hand in the degradation of women. And that it's lasted this long for so many centuries.

Do you think our modern society, with the liberties women have embraced in the last couple decades, is getting closer to the ideal treatment of women Christ had in mind?

No doubt Jesus came to set everyone free including women. The spirit that is in the church today as a whole against women can usually be found with an underlying layer of contempt for a women. Mother/Grandmother, Sisters, etc. I was recently at a conference where the preacher was preaching on standards for women, he was so abusive it made me sick to my stomach.
This is not the spirit of Chirst. This is offense and anger.
To answer your question, the bible is 2K years old and culturally God does not expect this generation or any other generation to adhere to the abusive treatment of women that was and still is a part of many cultures including the middle east. The muslim world today still dengrates women to the extent that the fathers are justified in honor killing their daughters if they disgrace the family. My answer is YES, Jesus liberates all. Where the spirit of the Lord is there is liberty.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by crazyhomie

No doubt Jesus came to set everyone free including women. The spirit that is in the church today as a whole against women can usually be found with an underlying layer of contempt for a women. Mother/Grandmother, Sisters, etc. I was recently at a conference where the preacher was preaching on standards for women, he was so abusive it made me sick to my stomach.
This is not the spirit of Chirst. This is offense and anger.
To answer your question, the bible is 2K years old and culturally God does not expect this generation or any other generation to adhere to the abusive treatment of women that was and still is a part of many cultures including the middle east. The muslim world today still dengrates women to the extent that the fathers are justified in honor killing their daughters if they disgrace the family. My answer is YES, Jesus liberates all. Where the spirit of the Lord is there is liberty.

Coupled with the other post that I had to ask several times to get you to respond to, I am beginning to think that you really do consider the Bible to be culturally biased.

I thought that was where you were heading.

If that is indeed your view, we have very little common ground on which to have a discussion, since you are questioning the infallibility of the Scriptures.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Coupled with the other post that I had to ask several times to get you to respond to, I am beginning to think that you really do consider the Bible to be culturally biased.

I thought that was where you were heading.

If that is indeed your view, we have very little common ground on which to have a discussion, since you are questioning the infallibility of the Scriptures.

"A stupid man's report of what a clever man says is never accurate because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand."--Bertrand Russell

Originally Posted by Rhoni

"A stupid man's report of what a clever man says is never accurate because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand."--Bertrand Russell

Thanks, I was beginning to question my own sanity...a classic sign of the abused..(lol)

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by crazyhomie

Thanks, I was beginning to question my own sanity...a classic sign of the abused..(lol)

Please explain to me what the age of the Bible has to do with this discussion.

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Coupled with the other post that I had to ask several times to get you to respond to, I am beginning to think that you really do consider the Bible to be culturally biased.

I thought that was where you were heading.

If that is indeed your view, we have very little common ground on which to have a discussion, since you are questioning the infallibility of the Scriptures.

Is there anything I said in that you disagree with?

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by crazyhomie

Is there anything I said in that you disagree with?

I disagree with your implication that the age of the Bible has anything whatsoever to do with its relevance for us today.

Would you mind answering the question about whether you think the Bible has a "cultural bias"?

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

I disagree with your implication that the age of the Bible has anything whatsoever to do with its relevance for us today.

Would you mind answering the question about whether you think the Bible has a "cultural bias"?

You have to be kidding. The bible was written 2K years ago in a different civilization. We cannot even begin to compare our western mentality to the Jewish enviornment of that day. God's word is His word, not ours. Paul clarified this many times when he stated this is from me and not from God. Of course Paul wrote out of his own personal experiences as we all do. The cultural differences of our day are incomprehensible. To think anything else is pure ignorance. Sorry. I belive God's word is true and believe God is infallible, but not man. Everybody but Jesus has problems friend. We are all broken trying to let Jesus pick up the pieces.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by crazyhomie

You have to be kidding. The bible was written 2K years ago in a different civilization. We cannot even begin to compare our western mentality to the Jewish enviornment of that day. God's word is His word, not ours. Paul clarified this many times when he stated this is from me and not from God. Of course Paul wrote out of his own personal experiences as we all do. The cultural differences of our day are incomprehensible. To think anything else is pure ignorance. Sorry. I belive God's word is true and believe God is infallible, but not man. Everybody but Jesus has problems friend. We are all broken trying to let Jesus pick up the pieces.

Paul said this once or possibly twice. Not "many times."

If you read less psychobabble and more Bible, you might not make serious blunders like that when discussing Scripture.

As for your other statements concerning the veracity and validity of Paul versus Jesus, are you questioning the infallibility of the Pauline epistles?

I think we are about to smoke out the problem here.

The principles in God's Word are eternal, and applicable to every generation.