Crusades: Are People getting the REAL Holy ghost??????

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Thad

at a recent District event before the sermon, they had a preacher get up to do a holy ghost rally ,or mini Crusade that ended up taking a large part of the service .

Let me say, I want multitudes to get the holy ghost, but I have a serious Issue with some of the things that take place at these . I am asking your opinoins. tell me if I am right or perhaps being too critical.

I was on the platform and saw for myself People raising their hands and CLAIMING THE HOLY GHOST FOR THE PERSONS! aren't we suppose to let the person claim it ??? the Evangelist seemed eager to count yet another one as the numbers went higher and higher which made the crowd more and more excited.

furthermore, I have a problem with people coaxing people into getting the holy ghost. It has been my observation over the years that when people get the holy ghost out of pure inspiration , they don't last. the holy ghost that the saints received under Bro Urshan and even in my father's day, kept them for 50 years. these people getting the holy ghost in these mass services are often never seen again!

your thoughts

I honestly think we are so focused on performance that we preempt God and say someone received the baptism and spoke in tongues when in fact they did not. I also think, for the same reason, that we coax people into speaking in tongues often and they do...speak in tongues. But not genuinely.

I have seen people get in their ears and go "Say Hallelujah, Say halalalalalalalala, that's it just let it out, halalalalalalala, say it" and that person says it. Everyone rejoices and is jumping around and the person that got it looks bewildered and they never come back to our sevice.

I'd rather have someone coming and still seeking than someone that supposedly got it and never comes back thinking it was all hype just like they were told

[Thad]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I honestly think we are so focused on performance that we preempt God and say someone received the baptism and spoke in tongues when in fact they did not. I also think, for the same reason, that we coax people into speaking in tongues often and they do...speak in tongues. But not genuinely.

I have seen people get in their ears and go "Say Hallelujah, Say halalalalalalalala, that's it just let it out, halalalalalalala, say it" and that person says it. Everyone rejoices and is jumping around and the person that got it looks bewildered and they never come back to our sevice.

I'd rather have someone coming and still seeking than someone that supposedly got it and never comes back thinking it was all hype just like they were told

okay Prax, you was at the same event what did you think ?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Thad

okay Prax, you was at the same event what did you think ?

Wait...did this happen at POM? I did not go. But I think it's a bad move to do without first preaching a gospel message. Peter did not move directly to a Holy Ghost crusade when the Jews asked "what does this mean"? He preached a message first.

BTW I really really REALLY think we OVER emphasize receiving the Holy Ghost more than WHY we need what Jesus did for us on the cross...how we are all sinners and not good enough to save our own hides and that we need to really repent and THEN we can receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost. I think we too often start off with the blessing of the Holy Ghost and not with the cross, the reason for it and how it fixes the problem

[Thad]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Wait...did this happen at POM? I did not go. But I think it's a bad move to do without first preaching a gospel message. Peter did not move directly to a Holy Ghost crusade when the Jews asked "what does this mean"? He preached a message first.

BTW I really really REALLY think we OVER emphasize receiving the Holy Ghost more than WHY we need what Jesus did for us on the cross...how we are all sinners and not good enough to save our own hides and that we need to really repent and THEN we can receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost. I think we too often start off with the blessing of the Holy Ghost and not with the cross, the reason for it and how it fixes the problem

sounds like you've been reading too much T. Fudge , Prax
just teasing

no NOT at POM!! where did i last see you in person ??

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Thad

sounds like you've been reading too much T. Fudge , Prax
just teasing

no NOT at POM!! where did i last see you in person ??

Campmeeting.....lol yes the head count "there's another one with the Holy Ghost? How many is that now? 14? Great...oh there is another one that makes 17 whoooo hooooo"

[Thad]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Campmeeting.....lol yes the head count "there's another one with the Holy Ghost? How many is that now? 14? Great...oh there is another one that makes 17 whoooo hooooo"

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight ! lol as i said it all sounds good when you're talking around a fellowship table after church but what's the REALITY of it in real life ??

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Thad

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight ! lol as i said it all sounds good when you're talking around a fellowship table after church but what's the REALITY of it in real life ??

It seemed inflated. I think Arph felt the same way too