I have been the same, I have not changed, but the UPC takes a different position and changes. They are leaving me. If that's the direction they want to go then so be it. Why does this bother you so much that I would get out? Given your post I would expect you to rejoice that us evil ultracons will be out of the org. It doesn't bother me at all. There is already a great gulf fixed between us but the passing of this Res would just make it permanent. Think of this way, with the passing of the Res and when the cons and ultracons leave you could then get anything you wanted to pass. We would stop trying to vote in a conservative leader, we wouldn't be there to oppose the removal of the articles of faith from the manual, we wouldn't oppose the removal of the ban on TV's in the minister's home statement, we wouldn't be there to oppose the stopping of signing an AS every 2 years, or anything else you wanted to get done. Plus, we wouldn't complain about Youth Congress or anything else the UPC did. From your standpoint I can only see the pros for people like me getting out. You should be thankful the UPC is leaving me.
Do you serve the UPC, or do you serve God? If the UPC changes it's stance on something that isn't even Biblical, that's so horrible that you would leave?
Did you know the UPC used to preach against radio, high heels, wearing red, and such other nonsense? Don't you think the men who left over those changes were rather silly for doing so?
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Do you serve the UPC, or do you serve God? If the UPC changes it's stance on something that isn't even Biblical, that's so horrible that you would leave?
Did you know the UPC used to preach against radio, high heels, wearing red, and such other nonsense? Don't you think the men who left over those changes were rather silly for doing so?
Those things were never established issues like television.
Do you serve the UPC, or do you serve God? If the UPC changes it's stance on something that isn't even Biblical, that's so horrible that you would leave?
Did you know the UPC used to preach against radio, high heels, wearing red, and such other nonsense? Don't you think the men who left over those changes were rather silly for doing so?
The UPC NEVER made a stance against these things. Pastors may have preached against them at their local church but the UPC NEVER made a stand against them. Do your homework before you make statements like this. The stance against TV was one of the reasons I joined the org so when it changes that stance it is worth me leaving over.
The UPC NEVER made a stance against these things. Pastors may have preached against them at their local church but the UPC NEVER made a stand against them. Do your homework before you make statements like this. The stance against TV was one of the reasons I joined the org so when it changes that stance it is worth me leaving over.
If its a stance you want...
How about the stance against video? When video first came out, the UPC took a stance against. That later changed. Since you are still here, apparently that change didn't bother you.
Furthermore, it is actually video capability that caused many to see the various ministry opportunities and/or enhancements opening up due to video.
It is also video capability and the allowance of such that caused many pastors, including one of my former pastors, to become concerned that things were beginning to slide down a slippery slope and there would be no stopping it.
And what about some of these "other" stances?
Like "worldly amusements" for example. The UPC took a stance against such long long ago. In writing, it has not changed. In reality, it has changed.
Same goes for professional sports which included not only sports on the adult level but organized sports in grade school - school teams. First little league was deemed as OK. Some even said it was good for kids to be involved and that they obtained valuable life experiences from it. Then it moved on to Jr. High and then to High School. Whats next? College? The NFL, NBA, etc.?
While I understand your personal issue in regards to TV and thats your choice, I have to ask, why pick on that one issue? What about these other things? Are you only UltraCon in regards to TV?
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How about the stance against video? When video first came out, the UPC took a stance against. That later changed. Since you are still here, apparently that change didn't bother you.
He's too young to remember a time when videos didn't exist......LOL!
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Furthermore, it is actually video capability that caused many to see the various ministry opportunities and/or enhancements opening up due to video.
It is also video capability and the allowance of such that caused many pastors, including one of my former pastors, to become concerned that things were beginning to slide down a slippery slope and there would be no stopping it.
And what about some of these "other" stances?
Like "worldly amusements" for example. The UPC took a stance against such long long ago. In writing, it has not changed. In reality, it has changed.
Same goes for professional sports which included not only sports on the adult level but organized sports in grade school - school teams. First little league was deemed as OK. Some even said it was good for kids to be involved and that they obtained valuable life experiences from it. Then it moved on to Jr. High and then to High School. Whats next? College? The NFL, NBA, etc.?
Don't forget that golfing is ok.
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While I understand your personal issue in regards to TV and thats your choice, I have to ask, why pick on that one issue? What about these other things? Are you only UltraCon in regards to TV?
And such a petty issue too, considering the problems with the internet that have permeated even the ministry today.
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I've never hit a golfball. In fact i've never held a golf club.
Not to be mean...But the more you post the more I see the need to be the one to hold the door for your exit....
Bro. I admonish thee......dont hold your breath when it comes to the changes of the UPC....and things going your way.
How about the stance against video? When video first came out, the UPC took a stance against. That later changed. Since you are still here, apparently that change didn't bother you.
Furthermore, it is actually video capability that caused many to see the various ministry opportunities and/or enhancements opening up due to video.
It is also video capability and the allowance of such that caused many pastors, including one of my former pastors, to become concerned that things were beginning to slide down a slippery slope and there would be no stopping it.
And what about some of these "other" stances?
Like "worldly amusements" for example. The UPC took a stance against such long long ago. In writing, it has not changed. In reality, it has changed.
Same goes for professional sports which included not only sports on the adult level but organized sports in grade school - school teams. First little league was deemed as OK. Some even said it was good for kids to be involved and that they obtained valuable life experiences from it. Then it moved on to Jr. High and then to High School. Whats next? College? The NFL, NBA, etc.?
While I understand your personal issue in regards to TV and thats your choice, I have to ask, why pick on that one issue? What about these other things? Are you only UltraCon in regards to TV?
You poor soul, you need to get out to a golf course and give it a try! 
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