Pictures of the Youth Congress~

Originally Posted by triumphant1

Again...looks like a pentecosal worship service....and where is all that FOG??????????

Missing like UC I guess...........

They usually run when proven that they dont make sense.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Strongminded

They usually run when proven that they dont make sense.

Whoa, I'm still here...

I really should apologize again for my tone. I'm sorry for my tone.

The thing that I'm really sorry about is that the poster UltraConservative will never hear from me again, I'm sorry for that UC- I think if we could have dialoged more perhaps you would have been able to see how that your deliberate attempts to mislead were wrong as well. I'm sorry that my tone cut off that dialog.

For those wondering, I have given GL what I think is a satisfying amount of info about my background and some of the assertions I made. I have shared the details before and what happened is really no "secret." It's on file.

Strongminded: what would have happened in 1992 if a loud mouth like me had spoken up before the vote?

What will happen in 2007 - when the UPC meets to either "reward" or to "punish" the General Youth Committee? It seems to me that the only ones speaking out are the "UC's" among us - and they aren't telling the truth. They don't tell the truth. I've been to their soirees, I've prayed and wept for souls with them. There is always some sort of con going on with them when they pursue their agenda.

What would happen if we started to stand up to them and demanded that they only speak the truth? Don't worry about "in love" for the time being. What would happen if we always demanded that they simply speak the truth? Our entire movement would be different. Instead they lie and we just hang our heads.

I'm sorry for my tone. I'm sorry for the pain that I carry continually in my heart. Just stop trying to destroy the Gospel, okay "UC's"? Ultimately that's what you're doing. And the only ones who can prevent you from doing it have never summoned the courage to do so. I am the most guilty of all. Learn from my shame.

[triumphant1]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Whoa, I'm still here...

I really should apologize again for my tone. I'm sorry for my tone.

The thing that I'm really sorry about is that the poster UltraConservative will never hear from me again, I'm sorry for that UC- I think if we could have dialoged more perhaps you would have been able to see how that your deliberate attempts to mislead were wrong as well. I'm sorry that my tone cut off that dialog.

For those wondering, I have given GL what I think is a satisfying amount of info about my background and some of the assertions I made. I have shared the details before and what happened is really no "secret." It's on file.

Strongminded: what would have happened in 1992 if a loud mouth like me had spoken up before the vote?

What will happen in 2007 - when the UPC meets to either "reward" or to "punish" the General Youth Committee? It seems to me that the only ones speaking out are the "UC's" among us - and they aren't telling the truth. They don't tell the truth. I've been to their soirees, I've prayed and wept for souls with them. There is always some sort of con going on with them when they pursue their agenda.

What would happen if we started to stand up to them and demanded that they only speak the truth? Don't worry about "in love" for the time being. What would happen if we always demanded that they simply speak the truth? Our entire movement would be different. Instead they lie and we just hang our heads.

I'm sorry for my tone. I'm sorry for the pain that I carry continually in my heart. Just stop trying to destroy the Gospel, okay "UC's"? Ultimately that's what you're doing. And the only ones who can prevent you from doing it have never summoned the courage to do so. I am the most guilty of all. Learn from my shame.

I think it is clear that you are posting from your heart and with emotion. There will be plenty that will call your hand about the "lie" comments. But who can really say that your experiences did not happen.

You used language that I would not use--on a forum like this especially, but from my own experiences I cannot refute what you have said ... I have had many lies told about me from the UC/Con and even the UPC camp...but of coarse they believe what they say and that is the only thing that matters to them...just like we have been led to believe the anointing at the NAYC was REPLACED with lights and FOG.....NOT!!!

God speed my friend, I pray he can clear that pain for you...

Please stop the fighting. Really, this is exactly what the devil desires. If he can keep strife stirred up among brothers and sisters, he'll do it. AND, if he's got us fighting, then WHO, may I ask, is sharing this saving gospel? Like I tell my children, you reap what you sow. If someone has done you or anyone else wrong on this AFF, let God repay. You know that vengeance IS His.

[triumphant1]

Originally Posted by lovemyjesus

Please stop the fighting. Really, this is exactly what the devil desires. If he can keep strife stirred up among brothers and sisters, he'll do it. AND, if he's got us fighting, then WHO, may I ask, is sharing this saving gospel? Like I tell my children, you reap what you sow. If someone has done you or anyone else wrong on this AFF, let God repay. You know that vengeance IS His.

Is somebody fighting?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by lovemyjesus

Please stop the fighting. Really, this is exactly what the devil desires. If he can keep strife stirred up among brothers and sisters, he'll do it. AND, if he's got us fighting, then WHO, may I ask, is sharing this saving gospel? Like I tell my children, you reap what you sow. If someone has done you or anyone else wrong on this AFF, let God repay. You know that vengeance IS His.

I empathize with you entirely LMJ - at least I think I do, if I've understood your very emphatic plea.

But from my life long experience I have found that within our ranks (Apostolic ranks) that there is a particular party that has always had the dominance even though they were in the minority. They have been able to steer our movement away from the principles that our founders shared simply because the majority didn't "fight." We hung our heads and kept silent.

Because of this "the devil" (or at least the Evangelical movement in general) has often had a field day mischaracterizing us and putting us down. The cry from my heart is that we need to stand up for ourselves.

When someone comes on the board with an accusation against the UPC Youth Committee, they often go unchallenged. When those kinds of things are leveled against the YC at the General Board level or within the districts they always go unchallenged. I know this from bitter experience.

Certainly your concerns are valid. However if we do what we've always done we'll get what we've always gotten. And frankly, we're not getting the job done now. It's time to change.

Originally Posted by lovemyjesus

Please stop the fighting. Really, this is exactly what the devil desires. If he can keep strife stirred up among brothers and sisters, he'll do it. AND, if he's got us fighting, then WHO, may I ask, is sharing this saving gospel? Like I tell my children, you reap what you sow. If someone has done you or anyone else wrong on this AFF, let God repay. You know that vengeance IS His.

Someone needs a prozac....lol