Hello From Tampa!

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

He did an admirable job.

Again, he shined in the business session today. A couple of motions were made that many, many, men laughed at - but he comforted the men who had made the motions with a lot of compassion and respect.

My admiration for him really increased today.

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Give an example of these motions please...

1. A motion was made to chage the order of the business session so that resolutions would be voted on before the election of officers. The motion was never voted on because the rules committee deemed it inadmissable.

2. A young man asked for a count of those who were qualified as voters. He was quite persistent. His concern, IMO, was valid. We currently have no way of determining who is eligible to vote, and who isn't. IMO, we are way too loose in this area.

The trouble was that the man didn't know how to frame his concern in a way that we could empathize. His motion garnered maybe 5 votes out of the 2000 men there. Laughter erupted. I would have been so embarrased!

Brother Haney was very kind to the man, stating that he could understand the cause for concern, but this is the way it had always been done.

[SDG]

PP,

As far as how his words could come back to bite him ... he may have energized the UC's to harp on Holiness tomorrow .... they may even quote him.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I think he was particularly rough on the left tonite ... PP ... on purpose ...

He singled them out very early in the second part of his message ...


When he said:
Your holiness in dress is a byproduct ... when you lose your conviction ... you soon will lose your walk w/ God ...

Some have said "I don't believe all that ..."

"I'm not going to teach separation against the world"

"I will still teach the New Birth .... and Acts 2:38"

If you sell out one area it will be easy to sell out the next ----

His intent tonite was rally around the banners of Acts 2:38 and Holiness ... as to send a unified message ... while still instilling fear in those on the left thinking of "compromising" by accepting a "watered down message" and appeasing the right by saying the key buzzwords as to keep them in the fold

I cannot disagree.

I just think there are things he can't change, and he knows it.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Thanks BOOM.

I must say I was very angered to read some of the outright lies posted today.

It's one thing to post an opinion, but this idea of posting something as fact, only to claim later it was a joke, is shameless.

And to complain at MY WIFE for calling him on it...

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

PP,

As far as how his words could come back to bite him ... he may have energized the UC's to harp on Holiness tomorrow .... they may even quote him.

I doubt it.

I look for another former GS to be quoted quite a bit though.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

PP,

As far as how his words could come back to bite him ... he may have energized the UC's to harp on Holiness tomorrow .... they may even quote him.

Quote him on what Daniel?

I listened very closely to his message with ears wide open and I didn't hear anything that could possibly come back to bite him or that would give anybody ammunition.

It was just a very good solid message - right down the centre far as I'm concerned. Like I said earlier, I'd love to have seen him get a little free-er, but it was great nonetheless.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

PP,

As far as how his words could come back to bite him ... he may have energized the UC's to harp on Holiness tomorrow .... they may even quote him.

DA no different of a message than the man delivered in Louisville when he was elected....

Remember Fair and Balanced

[Felicity]

Just want to add quickly here that the ladies meeting this morning was excellent!! Especially after Vesta Mangun got involved. To me the presence of God blew into the place about the same time and after that it was just wonderful!

The speakers did excellent -- all of them -- and the music was good. Everything was done with excellence imo.

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I think he was particularly rough on the left tonite ... PP ... on purpose ...

He singled them out very early in the second part of his message ...


When he said:
Your holiness in dress is a byproduct ... when you lose your conviction ... you soon will lose your walk w/ God ...

Some have said "I don't believe all that ..."

"I'm not going to teach separation against the world"

"I will still teach the New Birth .... and Acts 2:38"

If you sell out one area it will be easy to sell out the next ----

His intent tonite was rally around the banners of Acts 2:38 and Holiness ... as to send a unified message ... while still instilling fear in those on the left thinking of "compromising" by accepting a "watered down message" and appeasing the right by saying the key buzzwords.

Holiness standards vs the salvation message is a farce to think they have equal weight in Eternity.

If you lose the salvation message yes you may lose your moral convictions.

Holiness standards wrapped around a dress code are not moral landmarks.

They are only an oasis for men without discernment to get a one-sided glance on the allegiance of their followers.

Nothing new said in what I have stated.

You can skip 15 GC's and the sermon's sound like one long 60 year drumbeat.

Revival! Holiness Standards! >>>>>>>

[Nahum]

Think of it this way Daniel.


What possible good could have come from him taking any position other than a slight right of center approach? He is trying to quell hatefulness. He is not stupid or deaf. He knows what is being said.

But civility must reign in our business session tomorrow. Look, I obviously am a little left of center, but I understand that it is so important to discuss the issue logically. The future of many men is on the line tomorrow.

It would be good, if there is any parting of ways, to do so with Christian temperance.