The Eulogy Begins

Originally Posted by Ron

I would counter that there has been nothing said here to promote TV as a good medium, nor a wholesome thing to have-not one.

Yet the argument has been about internet (I still don't know if all the UC'S or conservatives have internet even) or any such thing.

Don't you think that if TV was such a good thing it could stand on it's own merit?

Name 1, just 1 succesful TV evangelist that preaches truth, doesn't look like an accident with Mary Kay, and doesn't squander money on themselves?

none of that has anything to do with television itself...

you have yet to provide one actual argument against television, really...

Just because it currently is run by evil men or it is currently populated by people who abuse it or the current televangelists are people who are using tv to make $$$ instead of save souls means NOTHING about how TV could be used to reach people...

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84

none of that has anything to do with television itself...

you have yet to provide one actual argument against television, really...

Just because it currently is run by evil men or it is currently populated by people who abuse it or the current televangelists are people who are using tv to make $$$ instead of save souls means NOTHING about how TV could be used to reach people...

Actually, he has provided more arguments FOR the use of television than against it!

Originally Posted by BobDylan

Actually, he has provided more arguments FOR the use of television than against it!

I know, but he keeps asking for arguments FOR television being ok, but I haven't seen any reason to think it isn't ok other than some people decided to make it a rule in the mid-1970s...

And, well, there is only one person who I listen to if they make completely arbitrary rules and, well, that's God... Everyone else needs to actually have a reason for what they do and tell me to do...

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84

I know, but he keeps asking for arguments FOR television being ok, but I haven't seen any reason to think it isn't ok other than some people decided to make it a rule in the mid-1970s...

And, well, there is only one person who I listen to if they make completely arbitrary rules and, well, that's God... Everyone else needs to actually have a reason for what they do and tell me to do...

Well, a blanket statement saying that "TV is ok" I totally disagree with. It cannot be argued, IMO, that full acceptance of TV and it's programming should be embraced as acceptible. TV, in any unregulated form, is NOT acceptible. There are way too many insidious programmings that are pummelled through televisions to completely embrace it. However, the effectiveness of certain venues of TV, i.e. as an advertising and communication medium, cannot be denied. Therefore harnassing the positivie benefits, while "filtering out" and regulating the negative aspects, is something that could be considered, and still not be contradictory to the apostolics traditional position on TV as a whole. We harnass the "advertising, communication, and information" aspects of the internet while attempting to filter out it's damaging and perfidious aspects... why can we not do the same for TV? I would not suggest that people should have unfettered access to programming on TV, and I also would emphasise that TV should not be a primary method of entertainment in the home. I even think the traditional position of just not having one in the home (not through legislation, but by teaching principle and letting people make up their own mind) could be promoted as well... while still harnassing those EXTREMELY effective avenues of communication that are available on it. JMHO...

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by BobDylan

Well, a blanket statement saying that "TV is ok" I totally disagree with. It cannot be argued, IMO, that full acceptance of TV and it's programming should be embraced as acceptible. TV, in any unregulated form, is NOT acceptible. There are way too many insidious programmings that are pummelled through televisions to completely embrace it. However, the effectiveness of certain venues of TV, i.e. as an advertising and communication medium, cannot be denied. Therefore harnassing the positivie benefits, while "filtering out" and regulating the negative aspects, is something that could be considered, and still not be contradictory to the apostolics traditional position on TV as a whole. We harnass the "advertising, communication, and information" aspects of the internet while attempting to filter out it's damaging and perfidious aspects... why can we not do the same for TV? I would not suggest that people should have unfettered access to programming on TV, and I also would emphasise that TV should not be a primary method of entertainment in the home. I even think the traditional position of just not having one in the home (not through legislation, but by teaching principle and letting people make up their own mind) could be promoted as well... while still harnassing those EXTREMELY effective avenues of communication that are available on it. JMHO...

BUMP!!!

[Praxeas]

I tried to argue along those lines before, but they seem to want to believe TV itself is an evil demonic thing...when it's just a box of electronics. The medium is neutral. It's how it gets used

Originally Posted by BobDylan

Well, a blanket statement saying that "TV is ok" I totally disagree with. It cannot be argued, IMO, that full acceptance of TV and it's programming should be embraced as acceptible. TV, in any unregulated form, is NOT acceptible. There are way too many insidious programmings that are pummelled through televisions to completely embrace it. However, the effectiveness of certain venues of TV, i.e. as an advertising and communication medium, cannot be denied. Therefore harnassing the positivie benefits, while "filtering out" and regulating the negative aspects, is something that could be considered, and still not be contradictory to the apostolics traditional position on TV as a whole. We harnass the "advertising, communication, and information" aspects of the internet while attempting to filter out it's damaging and perfidious aspects... why can we not do the same for TV? I would not suggest that people should have unfettered access to programming on TV, and I also would emphasise that TV should not be a primary method of entertainment in the home. I even think the traditional position of just not having one in the home (not through legislation, but by teaching principle and letting people make up their own mind) could be promoted as well... while still harnassing those EXTREMELY effective avenues of communication that are available on it. JMHO...

I agree, a blanket "everything on tv is ok" statement is, well, obviously not true... but so is a blanket "everything on tv is evil" statement...

and one tv wouldn't work in my home, not because everyone watches so much tv, but 'cuz both me and my bro have our video games in our rooms and, well, they require TV sets... }=o) (so we hook up cable through 'em, too, 'cuz, well, why not if its available and odesn't cost anything more???)