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Rico · #**471** 10-03-2007, 01:54 AM

Benincasa, are you seriously trying to say that God can not use something like the Veggie Tales to awaken a child's faith? Think about what you are saying, Brother.

Evang.Benincasa · #**472** 10-03-2007, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by joyful

I know 2 children that have received the Holy Ghost and 7 children that have been baptized in Jesus name after watching Veggie Tales.

We use a Veggie Tales curriculum in our Sunday school classes and the children watch a short Veggie Tales video about 5-7 min. long each week as an introduction to the lesson.

You can try to tear down their experiences as being less than authentic, but I was there and there is no way that you can convince me that these children did not receive the REAL Holy Ghost or REAL conviction that they needed to be baptized.

No its not all because of Veggie Tales, but God did bless the teaching that took place using this curriculum.

[Oh and I was concerned about United Pentecostal Church International accepting television for advertising? This information is more disturbing if use of Bob and Larry is this widespread.

Joyful, please understand this, I don't buy it, IF you are trying to say that the Veggie Tale video caused anyone to receive the Holy Ghost with tongues. It doesn't make you a bad guy and it doesn't make me a bad guy, I'm just not buying into the sorry story of the Tomato and the Pickle with the purple plunger on his head. You see folks this is why the rest of the freethinking world looks at Pentecost and thinks it's strange. People can deal with shouting, pew running, dancing, hand clapping, and loud singing, but talking carrots prophesying to their kids? Please.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Evang.Benincasa · #**473** 10-03-2007, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Rico

Benincasa, are you seriously trying to say that God can not use something like the Veggie Tales to awaken a child's faith?

Enough already, Brother I think people have way too much time on their hands and they really need to find some other pass time to fill the needs in their lives if they think that God is so smoked. There was a Church down here in Florida that was tapping a keg and serving hot dogs to get people in so they could preach to them. The people came drank the brew, ate the hot dogs, filled the porter johns and left the same way they came.

Hey you think maybe, just maybe it might be WRONG, and that people are looking for a Pentecostal church to be a little more deep than Bob and Larry?
You know something I have a men's Bible study on Mondays, and those guys are tired of the Mc Church and all the garbage that was pumped at them at the Mega Churches in our area. Calvary Chapel has all the Bob and Larry ministries you can handle and these men don't want it for their children and they don't want it for themselves. You want to play that, have at it man, no one is stopping you, this is America feel free to do as you please. Nothing personal Bro, but I just don't buy the smoke and mirrors being passed off for God. Is that OK?

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Originally Posted by Rico

Think about what you are saying, Brother.

I did, and I have presented what I thought about the issue. I think it's water weak and I think the kids are getting ripped off and the parents are not getting what they came for. I know people who have the Veggie Tale hoopla, from it's inception, and I asked them tonight about if they thought Veggie Tales would influence their children to recieve the Holy Ghost?
They said they couldn't consider the thought, and said Veggie Tales is nothing more than entertianment. Anyway this topic is about spent.

Next thing you all will be saying that The Chronicles of Narnia will cause children to recieve the Holy Ghost with tongues.

Anyway we will see, time proves all things, so let the dogs bark and the trucks roll on.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Rico · #**474** 10-03-2007, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Enough already, Brother I think people have way too much time on their hands and they really need to find some other pass time to fill the needs in their lives if they think that God is so smoked. There was a Church down here in Florida that was tapping a keg and serving hot dogs to get people in so they could preach to them. The people came drank the brew, ate the hot dogs, filled the porter johns and left the same way they came.

Hey you think maybe, just maybe it might be WRONG, and that people are looking for a Pentecostal church to be a little more deep than Bob and Larry?
You know something I have a men's Bible study on Mondays, and those guys are tired of the Mc Church and all the garbage that was pumped at them at the Mega Churches in our area. Calvary Chapel has all the Bob and Larry ministries you can handle and these men don't want it for their children and they don't want it for themselves. You want to play that, have at it man, no one is stopping you, this is America feel free to do as you please. Nothing personal Bro, but I just don't buy the smoke and mirrors being passed off for God. Is that OK?

I did, and I have presented what I thought about the issue. I think it's water weak and I think the kids are getting ripped off and the parents are not getting what they came for. I know people who have the Veggie Tale hoopla, from it's inception, and I asked them tonight about if they thought Veggie Tales would influence their children to recieve the Holy Ghost?
They said they couldn't consider the thought, and said Veggie Tales is nothing more than entertianment. Anyway this topic is about spent.

Next thing you all will be saying that The Chronicles of Narnia will cause children to recieve the Holy Ghost with tongues.

Anyway we will see, time proves all things, so let the dogs bark and the trucks roll on.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Benincasa, in a way I feel sorry for you Brother. Anything that doesn't fit in with your idea of the methods Christians should use to reach the lost you speak against. Your ways of reaching the lost aren't the only ways God can bless Brother. People have testified of how God used Veggie Tales to help reach children and bring them into the fold and you have the nerve to speak against it? This is exactly the type of thing you do that causes people to say you are arrogant, Brother. You certainly do not have the market cornered on how to reach the lost. You could be the poster boy for the "if it doesn't come out of my chimney then it ain't smoke" crowd.

I've watched Veggie Tales and can see how they can be used to teach children Biblical principles. I can also see how, in the teaching of these principles, that a child's faith could be awakened, resulting in that child being born again. It hardly rises to the level of using the Narnia movie as a tool for evangelism, and you do the Veggie Tales a disservice by lumping them into the same category as Narnia.

tv1a · #**475** 10-03-2007, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Come on already you are not even serious. You know something you individuals are bored out of your minds and keep these conversations going just to have something to do. Desecrated? My lands, no cartoon is causing children to get the Holy Ghost. Sorry, no tongue talking pickles and cabbage.
This conversation is insane.

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tv: Your god is a lot smaller than I thought.

No, the adults are faking it the children are sincere. I can totally believe that young people can get the Holy Ghost while the power of God is moving.

Scooby Doo, Papa Smurf, and Judy Jetson will never bring anyone to the power of God and the anointing of the Holy Ghost with the initial evidence of speaking with tongues. Do the Veggie Tales even teach the in filling of the Holy Ghost with tongues? My question is whose Pentecostal Church even was using Veggie Tales to teach the children and then had them pray through?

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tv: I suppose the only way someone can get the Holy Ghost is to have some beryl cream prophet with crooked teeth waive his crooked finger in their face and tell them they are going to hell.

90% of the kids come from family who are trusting you with their children and are under the impression that you are training them in the Word, but instead of that you are teaching them that cucumbers are prophets?

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tv: Nothing of the sort.

I know a father who found out that his son was watching NEMO while he was in Sunday School, and the father pulled his son and family out of the church that was showing the video. So that indicates that people have desire that those they in trust their children to are bringing something just a tad more spiritual to their young ones.

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tv: The only thing that means is the father is excercizing personal conviction. Plus there is two sides to the story. I heard a preacher preach a message using Nemo to bring the story of salvation to life.

So, they need cartoons? This conversation is outlandish. So before the advent of video and television thousands of years prior those people could not be helped? The Gospel speaks of preaching through ministry and apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastor and teachers teaching the scriptures.

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tv: The gospel isn't the fivefold ministry. According to your philosophy the only way to present the gospel is the "I talk, you listen" appoach.

It is insanity to think that not only a vegetable teaching children, but one who does not mention JESUS or His Gospel salvation message, you are trying to turn this argument towards a issue to show that I disprove of any kind of children's ministry. When what the first arguments

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tv: Not every story has to mention Jesus in it to be effective. Jesus told many stories without a Pentecostal altar call. Jesus didn't mention God in every story he told.

Paul didn't mention Jesus or the plan of salvation one time in his message on Mars Hill. He quoted pagan poets, but not one time mentioned Jesus. Your argument that every story must mention Jesus or salvation is not scriptural.

Here is another shocker Acts 2:38 was not part of the Peter's sermon. Acts 2:38 was the response to people's question of "What must we do".

Every story or every lesson, even every sermon should spark a desire in someone to deepen their relationship with Christ. A story for the sake of telling the story is a waste of time for the listener and the speaker.

Then the real test will be how long they remain. So Lord bless you and the children and may the Lord lead them to salvation.

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tv: Another legalist tactic. If someone isn't saved the way they want them to be the classic litmus test of how long they remain is mentioned. It's the closest a legalist gets to turning tail and retreating.

Let me help you out here, just because someone does not believe a certain report is not necessarily calling the messenger a liar. Now consider this, if a person doesn’t believe something you present you just need to go strengthen your argument and return a re-present your case. If you take everything personally you lose your case and lose your audience. Now if you don’t have a case to prove or the one you are trying to make your presentation to is being unruly then you may tend to mock and use sarcasm.

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tv: There is a difference in skepticism and down right blasphemy. I would never suggest or insinuate anyone's Holy Ghost experience is fake.
Your argument is as follows:
1. No one can get the Holy Ghost after watching a veggietale show.
2. The Fred Flinstone Holy Ghost comments suggests you believe it's not legitimate experience.

The Bible says in the mouth of two or three witnesses let every word be established. There are at least 2 other posters who posted similar experiences of children getting the Holy Ghost using veggie tales materials as a tool.

Either you are calling me a liar by saying no one can get the Holy Ghost after watching a veggie tales show, or you are trivializing the kids experience by the flinstone comments.

My comments were valid. Other posters have witnessed similar results. Yet you still deny the influence a cartoon cucumber has to influence kids to develop a relationship with Jesus.

600 different denominations so what’s one more?

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tv: Denominations have nothing to do with the conversation. So many religions, only One God. I don't need another Savior. Jesus is all I need.

Time proves all things.

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Classic legalism catch phrase. When one starts a post with legalism, one should expect the post to end the same.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

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tv1a · #**476** 10-03-2007, 03:15 AM

Now I get it. Somewhere the legalist got it in his head cartoons are prophesying over children. Did anyone say veggietales were prophesying over the kids? His arguement is based on dillusions in his own head.

Reality takes a back seat when one lives in the fairly tale land of legalism.

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People can deal with shouting, pew running, dancing, hand clapping, and loud singing, but talking carrots prophesying to their kids? Please.

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

[Oh and I was concerned about United Pentecostal Church International accepting television for advertising? This information is more disturbing if use of Bob and Larry is this widespread.

Joyful, please understand this, I don't buy it, IF you are trying to say that the Veggie Tale video caused anyone to receive the Holy Ghost with tongues. It doesn't make you a bad guy and it doesn't make me a bad guy, I'm just not buying into the sorry story of the Tomato and the Pickle with the purple plunger on his head. You see folks this is why the rest of the freethinking world looks at Pentecost and thinks it's strange. People can deal with shouting, pew running, dancing, hand clapping, and loud singing, but talking carrots prophesying to their kids? Please.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

tv1a · #**477** 10-03-2007, 03:27 AM

There is too much symbolism in Narnia to explain to the kids. Narnia can be used in a discussion format with older kids. There are numerous allegories one can mine from the story. Narnia may not work as well with children, but it has possiblilities of a learning tool.

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Originally Posted by Rico

Benincasa, in a way I feel sorry for you Brother. Anything that doesn't fit in with your idea of the methods Christians should use to reach the lost you speak against. Your ways of reaching the lost aren't the only ways God can bless Brother. People have testified of how God used Veggie Tales to help reach children and bring them into the fold and you have the nerve to speak against it? This is exactly the type of thing you do that causes people to say you are arrogant, Brother. You certainly do not have the market cornered on how to reach the lost. You could be the poster boy for the "if it doesn't come out of my chimney then it ain't smoke" crowd.

I've watched Veggie Tales and can see how they can be used to teach children Biblical principles. I can also see how, in the teaching of these principles, that a child's faith could be awakened, resulting in that child being born again. It hardly rises to the level of using the Narnia movie as a tool for evangelism, and you do the Veggie Tales a disservice by lumping them into the same category as Narnia.

#**478** 10-03-2007, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Rico

It hardly rises to the level of using the Narnia movie as a tool for evangelism, and you do the Veggie Tales a disservice by lumping them into the same category as Narnia.

Narnia = Allegorry about Christ...

EVERYTHING in the whole series can be interpreted as being about Jesus, that was CS Lewis' whole point...

although I would probably wait until kids are AT LEAST pre-teens before I even tried to show them Narnia and explain the symbolism of the story... (thankfully the book is very true to the movie and, as far as I remember, has all the symbolism in tact, still...)

#**479** 10-03-2007, 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by tv1a

Now I get it. Somewhere the legalist got it in his head cartoons are prophesying over children. Did anyone say veggietales were prophesying over the kids? His arguement is based on dillusions in his own head.

Reality takes a back seat when one lives in the fairly tale land of legalism.

no, he's just making stuff up so he sounds a little less crazy and a little less hypocritical... he's been ripping on veggietales as evil for like a week now simply because he asked me if they speak of Jesus and I said I don't recall (I've never watched it with my "Jesus per sentence" meter running... sorry...)

tv1a · #**480** 10-03-2007, 05:21 AM

EB's problem is his philosophy isn't backed up by scripture. Jesus or Paul would not have met his criteria. Paul quoted pagan poets. Jesus told stories... They didn't mention acts 2:38 in every message. EB is unreasonable and unscriptural. At least he's got the acts 2:38 thing correct.

Jesus never had a God meter running. Paul didn't mention Jesus or acts 2:38 on Mars Hill. Paul fails the eb salvation presentation model.

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Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84

no, he's just making stuff up so he sounds a little less crazy and a little less hypocritical... he's been ripping on veggietales as evil for like a week now simply because he asked me if they speak of Jesus and I said I don't recall (I've never watched it with my "Jesus per sentence" meter running... sorry...)