Preserving the Institution of Marriage

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

Christians while not of the world are still in the world. As individual citizens of this country they have a right to influence their own government. Passing laws will not save souls because being a good moral person is not salvation, that only comes through the redemptive blood of Christ. HOWEVER, your comments here have repeatedly suggested that because a citizen happens to be a Christian that they should refuse to have an opinion or take any action in either the workings of government or voting on its body of law. (Which would result in the laws of this country being written without the input by those of Judeo-Christian values)

Just because I have heavenly citizenship does not rob me of my American one . Laws are passed to govern human conduct. Our society has decided that in its best interest it is necessary to govern both certain individual conduct and even conduct between consenting adults ranging from incest to conspiracy to commit tax evasion.

It is remarkable that the ones who protest against a Christian exercising their rights as American citizens have either an overt or hidden agenda to either legalize or decriminalize a behavior that the majority of the citizenry of this republic oppose. As Christians we cannot and should not elevate political movements above our primary mission. But to suggest a Christian should have no say in the civil governance of their country?

Our job is to teach and preach the good news. I did not necessarily say "no say in civil governance" obviously if the opportunity presents itself we should make God's opinion known IF they seek our advice from a Christian stand point of view. Political Christianity denies God is in charge of world affairs. Therefore we must intervene because God's appointments are failing is in essence what they are saying. Political Christianity believes we are serving an "oops" God. Oop's God they just passed roe vs wade. What shall we do? Oops God the GLB agenda passed what shall we do? God knows the future, he is Alpha and Omega, the earth is his foot stool. God is not in panic, why should we be?

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by Rudy

Our job is to teach and preach the good news. I did not necessarily say "no say in civil governance" obviously if the opportunity presents itself we should make God's opinion known IF they seek our advice from a Christian stand point of view. Political Christianity denies God is in charge of world affairs. Therefore we must intervene because God's appointments are failing is in essence what they are saying. Political Christianity believes we are serving an "oops" God. Oop's God they just passed roe vs wade. What shall we do? Oops God the GLB agenda passed what shall we do? God knows the future, he is Alpha and Omega, the earth is his foot stool. God is not in panic, why should we be?

Actually you repeatedly said exactly that, Christians have no business voting.

Rudy, one of the main "opportunities" by which we do exactly that is by voting.

Thank you for finally coming around to that realization.

That means nothing further to discuss.

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

Actually you repeatedly said exactly that, Christians have no business voting.

Rudy, one of the main "opportunities" by which we do exactly that is by voting.

Thank you for finally coming around to that realization.

That means nothing further to discuss.

Col 1:16-17
16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.
17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Rudy

Our job is to teach and preach the good news. I did not necessarily say "no say in civil governance" obviously if the opportunity presents itself we should make God's opinion known IF they seek our advice from a Christian stand point of view. Political Christianity denies God is in charge of world affairs. Therefore we must intervene because God's appointments are failing is in essence what they are saying. Political Christianity believes we are serving an "oops" God. Oop's God they just passed roe vs wade. What shall we do? Oops God the GLB agenda passed what shall we do? God knows the future, he is Alpha and Omega, the earth is his foot stool. God is not in panic, why should we be?

Rudy,

It is obvious to me what your agenda is and many of us are not part of the church at Laodicea. You trying to rock the church to sleep? It isn't happening on my watch. If you are not for evangelism and the work of kingdom ministries then you aren't one of us.

Blessings, Rhoni

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

Rudy,

It is obvious to me what your agenda is and many of us are not part of the church at Laodicea. You trying to rock the church to sleep? It isn't happening on my watch. If you are not for evangelism and the work of kingdom ministries then you aren't one of us.

Blessings, Rhoni

Your Watch? What are you in charge of?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Rudy

Your Watch? What are you in charge of?

Someone who man's a watch is seldom in charge of anything. They are doing the "grunt" work. It's their job to sound an alarm when a threat is seen.

If the people were to try and exercise power in NT times they would have had to use murder and riot to gain control. When democracies arose, many Christians were so startled by it that they abandoned their futurist interpretations of Bible prophecy and proclaimed that a "New World Order" had come into existence. Sir Isaac Newton and George Washington are examples of these men.

Whatever eschatology you choose for today, as a Christian living in a democracy you must accept responsibility for your governance. Even Osama Bin Laden holds you accountable for this.

So God created the "powers that be" to exercise rule upon the earth. But guess what? In America you are "the power that is!" Just as God judged the Kings of OT Israel for their use and abuse of power, so also will you be judged. If you want to be the kind of servant that takes his power and buries it in the ground then, so be it. After all, our Master is an austere man, reaping where he has not sown and gathering where he has not strawed. But what will you say to Him when He returns?

"'They' passed roe v. wade? 'They' passed the GBL agenda?" But the Master will want to know what you did with the power He trusted you with. He sets up the powers that be, and He has set up this democracy. You are "the king" as much as anyone else around here.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Someone who man's a watch is seldom in charge of anything. They are doing the "grunt" work. It's their job to sound an alarm when a threat is seen.

If the people were to try and exercise power in NT times they would have had to use murder and riot to gain control. When democracies arose, many Christians were so startled by it that they abandoned their futurist interpretations of Bible prophecy and proclaimed that a "New World Order" had come into existence. Sir Isaac Newton and George Washington are examples of these men.

Whatever eschatology you choose for today, as a Christian living in a democracy you must accept responsibility for your governance. Even Osama Bin Laden holds you accountable for this.

So God created the "powers that be" to exercise rule upon the earth. But guess what? In America you are "the power that is!" Just as God judged the Kings of OT Israel for their use and abuse of power, so also will you be judged. If you want to be the kind of servant that takes his power and buries it in the ground then, so be it. After all, our Master is an austere man, reaping where he has not sown and gathering where he has not strawed. But what will you say to Him when He returns?

"'They' passed roe v. wade? 'They' passed the GBL agenda?" But the Master will want to know what you did with the power He trusted you with. He sets up the powers that be, and He has set up this democracy. You are "the king" as much as anyone else around here.

POTD

Excellent job Pelathais!

Blessings, Rhoni

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Someone who man's a watch is seldom in charge of anything. They are doing the "grunt" work. It's their job to sound an alarm when a threat is seen.

If the people were to try and exercise power in NT times they would have had to use murder and riot to gain control. When democracies arose, many Christians were so startled by it that they abandoned their futurist interpretations of Bible prophecy and proclaimed that a "New World Order" had come into existence. Sir Isaac Newton and George Washington are examples of these men.

Whatever eschatology you choose for today, as a Christian living in a democracy you must accept responsibility for your governance. Even Osama Bin Laden holds you accountable for this.

So God created the "powers that be" to exercise rule upon the earth. But guess what? In America you are "the power that is!" Just as God judged the Kings of OT Israel for their use and abuse of power, so also will you be judged. If you want to be the kind of servant that takes his power and buries it in the ground then, so be it. After all, our Master is an austere man, reaping where he has not sown and gathering where he has not strawed. But what will you say to Him when He returns?

"'They' passed roe v. wade? 'They' passed the GBL agenda?" But the Master will want to know what you did with the power He trusted you with. He sets up the powers that be, and He has set up this democracy. You are "the king" as much as anyone else around here.

O.k. you and Rhoni tell me who God wants to be President when it is time to vote so I will know.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Rudy

O.k. you and Rhoni tell me who God wants to be President when it is time to vote so I will know.

That's the paradox that is introduced by God having chosen to place a democracy in power in this land. We get to choose; and we have to live with the choices we make. And if we just have want to hunker down in our bunker awaiting the End of the World®, then we have to live with the fact that we didn't help to make the right kinds of choices.

That's a democracy. It's frustrating, but we have no one to blame but God and ourselves. Of course, I hear that Russia is trying to increase their population. Since God has given you the freedom, how about taking this Gospel to the Russian people and living under their system? It's still a one party rule, despite the veneer. One party rule will help you to understand who God wants you to vote for a little more easily. Cuba offers the same choice.

Pack your bags. There are Christians in Iran, A.D. Urshan himself once preached there. And it appears that "God" has already done all the thinking for you as far as who rules there.