Take heed unto thyself, and unto the DOCTRINE

[Nahum]

I am reading a book from Rob Bell titled Velvet Elvis .

It has shaken me to my core.

So much that I don't even know if I should keep reading or not.

It's all about our elevation of doctrine over our love for God.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I am reading a book from Rob Bell titled Velvet Elvis .

It has shaken me to my core.

So much that I don't even know if I should keep reading or not.

It's all about our elevation of doctrine over our love for God.

Dont be shaken. We cannot even love him properly unless we are TAUGHT how.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I am reading a book from Rob Bell titled Velvet Elvis .

It has shaken me to my core.

So much that I don't even know if I should keep reading or not.

It's all about our elevation of doctrine over our love for God.

Keep reading. It's an interesting book but it won't hurt you.

I found what he wrote about "yokes" really interesting and discovered something that I'd never known before. And that is what a "yoke" is. It's "teaching" or "doctrine". Each rabbi had their own "yoke". Jesus - who was regarded as a Rabbi or Teacher said His yoke in comparison to the other rabbis (the Pharisees and others maybe? ) was easy.

Interesting, huh?

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Keep reading. It's an interesting book but it won't hurt you.

I found what he wrote about "yokes" really interesting and discovered something that I'd never known before. And that is what a "yoke" is. It's "teaching" or "doctrine". Each rabbi had their own "yoke". Jesus - who was regarded as a Rabbi or Teacher said His yoke in comparison to the other rabbis (the Pharisees and others maybe? ) was easy.

Interesting, huh?

I read about half of the book earlier this evening, and will probably finish it before bedtime. The yoke thing wasn't new to me, but his presentation of it was.

The way he writes reminds me of Tommy Tenney.

[Michael The Disciple]

Before Luke wrote:

1: Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us,
2: Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;

Mens traditions tell us all they had was word of mouth. Luke says there were many eyewitnesses, ministers of the word who wrote these things down. I believe Luke.

So yes they had more than Heb. 6 and Eph. 4.

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Before Luke wrote:

1: Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us,
2: Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;

Mens traditions tell us all they had was word of mouth. Luke says there were many eyewitnesses, ministers of the word who wrote these things down. I believe Luke.

So yes they had more than Heb. 6 and Eph. 4.

When was Luke and Acts written, about 20-30 years after the church was established.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by keith4him

When was Luke and Acts written, about 20-30 years after the church was established.

But who told you that? Were you there? Luke said EYEWITNESSES wrote these things down. He never spoke against it just added to what had been done.

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

But who told you that? Were you there? Luke said EYEWITNESSES wrote these things down. He never spoke against it just added to what had been done.

At what time did the eyewitnesses right these things down, when Luke was writing his Gospel.

Let me give you some insight into how this worked:

Mark's Gospel was taken as Mark followed Peter around and recorded what he taught about Jesus

Luke and Matthew are synoptics, some stories, some scholars believe Matthew was written first and Luke borrowed heavily from him. Some believe that both got their materials from a source called Q, German for source or spring, which most likely was eyewitnesses oral statements that circulated in the early church.

But they did not have a Bible like we do today, much of what they depeneded upon was oral teachings that circulated among the early churches, it wasn't until later that the Gospels were written and Paul's letters passed from church to church.

Look this does not diminish the inspiration of scripture and the integrity of the Word of God, my point is that some think doctrine for the early church was a point by point piece of paper that everyone was agreed upon.

When the early church evanglised they went from town to town, house to house, told everyone the Good news, helped people experience Christian intiation (faith, repentance and baptisms) they didn't open a scroll and point to the word like we do today, they shared oral testimony and preaching (the exception being Paul in the Synagogues)

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I am reading a book from Rob Bell titled Velvet Elvis .

It has shaken me to my core.

So much that I don't even know if I should keep reading or not.

It's all about our elevation of doctrine over our love for God.

I think there can be a danger in this, and have seen it. I heard that Verbal Bean made a statement that Apostolics where in danger of worshiping the doctrine over the God of the doctrine.

I see the opposite happening for many in the Apostolic ranks in our day and time. We seem have more "fluff" messages than ever. For many, if the church didn't shout the house down, they didn't have church.

I do understand there must be balance.

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I think there can be a danger in this, and have seen it. I heard that Verbal Bean made a statement that Apostolics where in danger of worshiping the doctrine over the God of the doctrine.

I see the opposite happening for many in the Apostolic ranks in our day and time. We seem have more "fluff" messages than ever. For many, if the church didn't shout the house down, they didn't have church.

I do understand there must be balance.

Could you start a list of the things you think should be taught as doctrine?