Take heed unto thyself, and unto the DOCTRINE

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Before Luke wrote:

1: Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us,
2: Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;

Mens traditions tell us all they had was word of mouth. Luke says there were many eyewitnesses, ministers of the word who wrote these things down. I believe Luke.

So yes they had more than Heb. 6 and Eph. 4.

When was Luke and Acts written, about 20-30 years after the church was established.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by keith4him

When was Luke and Acts written, about 20-30 years after the church was established.

But who told you that? Were you there? Luke said EYEWITNESSES wrote these things down. He never spoke against it just added to what had been done.

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

But who told you that? Were you there? Luke said EYEWITNESSES wrote these things down. He never spoke against it just added to what had been done.

At what time did the eyewitnesses right these things down, when Luke was writing his Gospel.

Let me give you some insight into how this worked:

Mark's Gospel was taken as Mark followed Peter around and recorded what he taught about Jesus

Luke and Matthew are synoptics, some stories, some scholars believe Matthew was written first and Luke borrowed heavily from him. Some believe that both got their materials from a source called Q, German for source or spring, which most likely was eyewitnesses oral statements that circulated in the early church.

But they did not have a Bible like we do today, much of what they depeneded upon was oral teachings that circulated among the early churches, it wasn't until later that the Gospels were written and Paul's letters passed from church to church.

Look this does not diminish the inspiration of scripture and the integrity of the Word of God, my point is that some think doctrine for the early church was a point by point piece of paper that everyone was agreed upon.

When the early church evanglised they went from town to town, house to house, told everyone the Good news, helped people experience Christian intiation (faith, repentance and baptisms) they didn't open a scroll and point to the word like we do today, they shared oral testimony and preaching (the exception being Paul in the Synagogues)