PAW Is Crumbling!!!Bishop Noel Jones is leaving too!

Originally Posted by Thad

so i take it you don't care much for Jones and braizer??


I wonder what chuckie Ellis will do ?? he has the other Large PAW church in Detroit.

HIs uncle had a great church in chicago but is serving time in prison

I think Bishop David Ellis (the Father now deceased) would slap the stupid out of the boy if he could. He was a STRONG oneness, Jesus Name baptism preacher. In fact, he was a great preacher who loved truth. I don't know much about the son except that I've heard him make some VERY compromised statements about his 'beliefs'.

[Mercy]

Originally Posted by Steadfast

I think Bishop David Ellis (the Father now deceased) would slap the stupid out of the boy if he could. He was a STRONG oneness, Jesus Name baptism preacher. In fact, he was a great preacher who loved truth. I don't know much about the son except that I've heard him make some VERY compromised statements about his 'beliefs'.

Funny, I am sure if this was the mid 80's when Bishop (David) Ellis was around this comment would be different. Growing up in Detroit Greater Grace (Ellis' church) is where you went when you wanted some "slack"....on whatever. So I guess opinions change based on the reference. If chucky seems less stringent ok, I dont know, I tend to go to his brothers church when I am in MI, but to say David Ellis was some strong "standard keeper"....yeah, thats funny.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Mercy

Funny, I am sure if this was the mid 80's when Bishop (David) Ellis was around this comment would be different. Growing up in Detroit Greater Grace (Ellis' church) is where you went when you wanted some "slack"....on whatever. So I guess opinions change based on the reference. If chucky seems less stringent ok, I dont know, I tend to go to his brothers church when I am in MI, but to say David Ellis was some strong "standard keeper"....yeah, thats funny.

Mercy, neither Steadfast nor I have been talking about standards. Doctrine is the thing.

[Mercy]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Mercy, neither Steadfast nor I have been talking about standards. Doctrine is the thing.

So how can you say he had such "sound doctrine" if so much could go on in his church? If your not teaching anything then what's the point. If the doctrine was sound then the conviction for the life styles people when there to live would be present too.

The statement just gave me a flash back of driving PAST GG every Sunday and of the people that left our church to go there cuz they wanted to do stuff that was not allowed where my mom had us.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Mercy

So how can you say he had such "sound doctrine" if so much could go on in his church? If your not teaching anything then what's the point. If the doctrine was sound then the conviction for the life styles people when there to live would be present too.

The statement just gave me a flash back of driving PAST GG every Sunday and of the people that left our church to go there cuz they wanted to do stuff that was not allowed where my mom had us.

well, there you go. maybe there is a reason the son has gone that direction? I think maybe you and I agree, that these that are leaving ought to?

I am praying for the PAW, it has been a great organization and I pray the good men that are left can continue on.

[Mercy]

Originally Posted by Ferd

well, there you go. maybe there is a reason the son has gone that direction? I think maybe you and I agree, that these that are leaving ought to?

I am praying for the PAW, it has been a great organization and I pray the good men that are left can continue on.

If they are leaving because they are truly teaching against the teachings of Jesus, yes they should go. I dont know if I have read anything stating what they have said from thier own mouths...just articles from Chicago and opinions on message boards. If they are truly against the teachings of God, God will not allow His own to be without. They can take thier money and huge congregations and go. God will provide.

Originally Posted by Mercy

Funny, I am sure if this was the mid 80's when Bishop (David) Ellis was around this comment would be different. Growing up in Detroit Greater Grace (Ellis' church) is where you went when you wanted some "slack"....on whatever. So I guess opinions change based on the reference. If chucky seems less stringent ok, I dont know, I tend to go to his brothers church when I am in MI, but to say David Ellis was some strong "standard keeper"....yeah, thats funny.

I can't say much about his standards as I didn't get much opportunity to see them. I do know, however, that I have recordings where the man preaches the New Birth doctrine so hard that it would erase ANY question of what he believed.

[Mercy]

Originally Posted by Steadfast

I can't say much about his standards as I didn't get much opportunity to see them. I do know, however, that I have recordings where the man preaches the New Birth doctrine so hard that it would erase ANY question of what he believed.

...and I think it weighs so much heavier when you DO believe, and yet you allow madness to take place in the church you are appointed to lead. Kinda like me....in college I could preach/teach the oneness doctrine in my sleep, but I lived just like everyone else. I wasn't promoting/living what I knew, even though I knew it then as truth....just wanted to shout it loudly to show I was "better".

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Steadfast

I can't say much about his standards as I didn't get much opportunity to see them. I do know, however, that I have recordings where the man preaches the New Birth doctrine so hard that it would erase ANY question of what he believed.

amen, first generation myself, born again since jan 23,2000

I have a special place in my heart for the Pentecostal Assemblies of the World. Bishop G.T. Haywood is one of my "Heroes of the Faith". Many times, I've sang at PAW churches, for Revivals and Conferences. I have many PAW records (dating myself here) and CD's. One interesting CD is entitled "A Tribute to the Bishops" (a tribute to all the men that have ever been Presiding Bishops of the PAW), that featured recordings by a PAW General Convocation Choir under the direction of Elder Abney, pastor of Bethel Pentecostal Church in Grand Rapids, Michigan. The first PAW I ever attended was Bethlehem Temple, pastored by Elder B.T. Scott, in Flint, Michigan, where I heard (then) Presiding Bishop Morris E. Golder, of PAW fame, preach.

Currently, I live just a couple miles from Greater Grace Temple in Detroit, where Assistant Presiding Bishop of the PAW, Elder Ellis, is the pastor.

As a kid, one of our "three musketeers" was a PAW Evangelist's kid. He and I (and our families) still make the "church rounds" today!

At their Holy Convocation coming up later this month (August), the Chief Presiding Biship is going to present his "Apostolic Manifesto" to all the Bishops and Elders. It is a clarion call for the PAW to get back to its Apostolic roots, holiness, and being a "relevant" Oneness Pentecostal body in today's world.