Disaffiliation with the UPC????

hometown guy · #1 10-18-2007, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Wouldn't that come up in the annual business meeting?

It seems to me the affairs of the local church should be open affairs to the local church and not just one man and his family

im sure like if they raised the rates for some reason like he should wait 7,8,9or even 11 months untill the annual business meeting comes around. but that is besides the point, the point is why should it be up to the church if he should keep his upc card if he pays for it and they are allowing things that we teach agaist at our church.

Praxeas · #2 10-18-2007, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by hometown guy

im sure like if they raised the rates for some reason like he should wait 7,8,9or even 11 months untill the annual business meeting comes around. but that is besides the point, the point is why should it be up to the church if he should keep his upc card if he pays for it and they are allowing things that we teach agaist at our church.

Why shouldn't it be up to the church...at least to be a part of the UPC or any other group? Why should that decision be in the hands of one individual?

You know...I know of some UPC Pastors that have taught against video for years...even though for years the UPC allows video...yet they did not leave. Same with other thing...I never understood why when it comes to things like that we have to all divide. It's not like they voted to get rid of Acts 2:38 or allow homosexuals to preach....

anapko · #3 10-19-2007, 03:24 PM

With this issue of disaffiliation begs the question, what are they afraid of? Come on, all parties can turn this to their advantage if they want to. To simply cry, "We'll disaffiliate" is doing nothing but running scared! What will they to if they leave, join another group, independent or not, and an issue like this comes up there? Run again? WOW, now that's a good pastor, he runs from controversy!!!

hometown guy · #4 10-19-2007, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by anapko81

With this issue of disaffiliation begs the question, what are they afraid of? Come on, all parties can turn this to their advantage if they want to. To simply cry, "We'll disaffiliate" is doing nothing but running scared! What will they to if they leave, join another group, independent or not, and an issue like this comes up there? Run again? WOW, now that's a good pastor, he runs from controversy!!!

no. if my pastor decided to go then i think of him as a man with a backbone thats not scared to stand for what he belives. him and his family have been in the upc for 30+ years and they have kept the same stand that they had back then why change it now.

Praxeas · #5 10-19-2007, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by hometown guy

no. if my pastor decided to go then i think of him as a man with a backbone thats not scared to stand for what he belives. him and his family have been in the upc for 30+ years and they have kept the same stand that they had back then why change it now.

Are they against all video use, even to the point of saying it is wrong to own a VCR or a DVD player or any sort of Video player?

hometown guy · #6 10-20-2007, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Are they against all video use, even to the point of saying it is wrong to own a VCR or a DVD player or any sort of Video player?

we not watch any video(or any type of video t.v ect.) therefore we do not have any need to own a vcr or dvd player.

Praxeas · #7 10-20-2007, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by hometown guy

we not watch any video(or any type of video t.v ect.) therefore we do not have any need to own a vcr or dvd player.

Ok...but what about the computer? You can watch Mpegs...most new computers have a DVD player built in....in fact ALL newer computers have a DVD player built in. Is it Microsoft? Did you uninstall Windows Media Player and all other media players? Do you have flash installed in Internet Explorer or whatever browser you use?

Does this injunction include not watching Oneness preaching on the internet?
Do you have a cell phone or digital camera that takes and views video?

anapko · #8 10-19-2007, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by hometown guy

no. if my pastor decided to go then i think of him as a man with a backbone thats not scared to stand for what he belives. him and his family have been in the upc for 30+ years and they have kept the same stand that they had back then why change it now.

Okay, I get your drift, but what concerns me as to the "Cons" revulsion to resolution 4 is a big misconception. I never got the understanding that the UPC was forcing it's members to go out and buy a tv and force them to watch it! The reaction of the "Cons" is how it appears to me! My comments simply said what are they afraid of? It does sound to me like they are running from a "problem". Their solution, disaffiliation. Your thoughts?

hometown guy · #9 10-20-2007, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by anapko81

Okay, I get your drift, but what concerns me as to the "Cons" revulsion to resolution 4 is a big misconception. I never got the understanding that the UPC was forcing it's members to go out and buy a tv and force them to watch it! The reaction of the "Cons" is how it appears to me! My comments simply said what are they afraid of? It does sound to me like they are running from a "problem". Their solution, disaffiliation. Your thoughts?

the reason why it is a big deal is because the door that has been opened will lead to other things concerning t.v. we understand that as of now it is only allowing upc pastors to advertise..do you think that the ones that are advertisig are really ever going to preach against it(because the upc is against wathing tv.)no way.we are not afraid of this res. we just have a big conviction about it.and i personally feel if we stayed in, then we are supporting that whitch we strongly preach against.

Thad · #10 10-20-2007, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by hometown guy

the reason why it is a big deal is because the door that has been opened will lead to other things concerning t.v. we understand that as of now it is only allowing upc pastors to advertise..do you think that the ones that are advertisig are really ever going to preach against it(because the upc is against wathing tv.)no way.we are not afraid of this res. we just have a big conviction about it.and i personally feel if we stayed in, then we are supporting that whitch we strongly preach against.

I think that anyone who is true and consistant in their convictions are to be commended. Everyone knows that TV has been nothing but sewage piped into our homes destroying the mindset of the youth of today. even if they wont admit it. even Doctor Dobson admonishes families to consider not having a TV.

HOWEVER!! I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS!!!

1) what will conservatives do when TV is no more??? Internet and TV will merge within a few years, so, what kind of a stand will a conservative pastor make then ??

2) I have relatives who do not have a TV ...BUT! their kids download TV shows onto their IPODS!!! now what ???? now what ????????????????

i recall 25 years ago, conservatives were preaching against "monitors". now the kids today don't even know what a monitor is AND , basically , if you have a computer with a DVD player, it's really the same as having a" monitor". would anyone agree ???