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10-21-2007, 03:20 PM
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The bible is clear that we are to rightly divide the WORD, not somebodies false doctrine. We are not to give heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils. I know you THINK you are able to take garbage in and not come out stinking, but that is not the case. You do not oppose false doctrine with its faults, you oppose it with the truth found within the Word of God.
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You're wrong on this point Matt. Taking garbage in (false doctrine) to try to understand its error is dangerous if you're not grounded in truth. I thought I was unmovable in what I believed on salvation and who God is, but I almost found myself becoming "open" to a false doctrine because of confusion that entered my mind by talking to Trinitarians. God kept me.
As for opposing false doctrine with the truth of God's word, that's what I try to do.
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10-21-2007, 03:23 PM
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You're wrong on this point Matt. Taking garbage in (false doctrine) to try to understand its error is dangerous if you're not grounded in truth. I thought I was unmovable in what I believed on salvation and who God is, but I almost found myself becoming "open" to a false doctrine because of confusion that entered my mind by talking to Trinitarians. God kept me.
As for opposing false doctrine with the truth of God's word, that's what I try to do.
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at what point can one say with assurance that one is "grounded"??
and by the way, how can I be wrong if you yourself state that you almost got messed up. It is only because of Gods grace that any of us stand. You are what you eat. If you spend time eating false doctrine, it will eventually begin to effect your thinking.
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10-21-2007, 03:27 PM
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at what point can one say with assurance that one is "grounded"??
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I guess when nothing can shake us from our foundations, like you said, those found in Heb 6:1-2
My pastor spoke today how a few years back he had examined everything he believed. And the things he ended up holding on to were the things God revealed to him personally....One God and the new birth message found in Acts 2:38. (There were those around him after he left the UPC and was looking for ministerial fellowship who were telling him baptism didn't matter, speaking in tongues wasn't the initial evidence, etc.)
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
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10-21-2007, 04:17 PM
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I guess when nothing can shake us from our foundations, like you said, those found in Heb 6:1-2
My pastor spoke today how a few years back he had examined everything he believed. And the things he ended up holding on to were the things God revealed to him personally....One God and the new birth message found in Acts 2:38. (There were those around him after he left the UPC and was looking for ministerial fellowship who were telling him baptism didn't matter, speaking in tongues wasn't the initial evidence, etc.) |
I think repetitive questioning is silly and fruitless. At some point you've gotta move on. That's why I rarely debate doctrine on here.
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10-21-2007, 04:23 PM
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I guess when nothing can shake us from our foundations, like you said, those found in Heb 6:1-2
My pastor spoke today how a few years back he had examined everything he believed. And the things he ended up holding on to were the things God revealed to him personally....One God and the new birth message found in Acts 2:38. ( There were those around him after he left the UPC and was looking for ministerial fellowship who were telling him baptism didn't matter, speaking in tongues wasn't the initial evidence, etc.) |
Mizpeh.......
Is your pastor still out of the UPC?
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10-21-2007, 04:26 PM
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Mizpeh.......
Is your pastor still out of the UPC?
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yes, but he's been asked to rejoin and is seriously considering it.
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10-21-2007, 04:29 PM
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yes, but he's been asked to rejoin.
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Why?
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10-21-2007, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by stmatthew
at what point can one say with assurance that one is "grounded"??
and by the way, how can I be wrong if you yourself state that you almost got messed up. It is only because of Gods grace that any of us stand. You are what you eat. If you spend time eating false doctrine, it will eventually begin to effect your thinking.
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You said, "I know you THINK you are able to take garbage in and not come out stinking,"
That is what I meant by you being wrong. I know I can't take garbage in without coming out a little worse for the wear. I was wrong to think I was so grounded that I could not be shaken. It was a scary time for me.
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
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10-22-2007, 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
You're wrong on this point Matt. Taking garbage in (false doctrine) to try to understand its error is dangerous if you're not grounded in truth. I thought I was unmovable in what I believed on salvation and who God is, but I almost found myself becoming "open" to a false doctrine because of confusion that entered my mind by talking to Trinitarians. God kept me.
As for opposing false doctrine with the truth of God's word, that's what I try to do.
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Excuse me but being open minded is not taking anything in. It's You looking OUT at things and examining them using your intellect, logic and whatever other tools you have for determining truth. To determine biblical truth your tool is the word of God. We are commanded to make sure of all things. Try the Spirits...even the Bereans were commended for testing what Paul said against the word and they openly HEARD Paul...
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10-22-2007, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Excuse me but being open minded is not taking anything in. It's You looking OUT at things and examining them using your intellect, logic and whatever other tools you have for determining truth. To determine biblical truth your tool is the word of God. We are commanded to make sure of all things. Try the Spirits...even the Bereans were commended for testing what Paul said against the word and they openly HEARD Paul...
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That's what I do already. I don't plan on stopping. 
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
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