God's Answer To Californication

SDG · #1 10-24-2007, 01:13 PM

This thread idea may be the dumbest here.

Esther · #2 10-24-2007, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

This thread idea may be the dumbest here.

I don't know.......there are quite a few to choose from these days.

pelathais · #3 10-24-2007, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

This thread idea may be the dumbest here.

No, I can think of others. Just my humble opinion.

The question of "Why do bad things happen?" and our attempts to find God's "justice" in it all is as old as man.

Job suffered terribly, and for no justifiable reason. David saw the wicked prosper and his only consolation was in the afterlife.

California burns (again!) but San Francisco (and Nancy Pelosi's house) are safe. Good Apostolics are homeless right now and they are being assisted by firemen who marched in a "gay pride" parade.

None of it makes sense if you see God sitting atop Olympus hurling thunderbolts at those who displease Him. That idea would suggest that His aim is off considerably.

Praxeas · #4 10-24-2007, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

No, I can think of others. Just my humble opinion.

The question of "Why do bad things happen?" and our attempts to find God's "justice" in it all is as old as man.

Job suffered terribly, and for no justifiable reason. David saw the wicked prosper and his only consolation was in the afterlife.

California burns (again!) but San Francisco (and Nancy Pelosi's house) are safe. Good Apostolics are homeless right now and they are being assisted by firemen who marched in a "gay pride" parade.

None of it makes sense if you see God sitting atop Olympus hurling thunderbolts at those who displease Him. That idea would suggest that His aim is off considerably.

It's one thing to ask these questions but far another to make the assertion that God attacked California because California is synonymous with fornication and compare it to Sodom where there were not even 10 righteous

Praxeas · #5 10-24-2007, 06:55 PM

Ok, Im not gonna read the rest of this thread since Im sure I will just see more idiotic statements from the author...

pelathais · #6 10-24-2007, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Ok, Im not gonna read the rest of this thread since Im sure I will just see more idiotic statements from the author...

No, he chimed out as others chimed in.

Michael The Disciple · #7 10-24-2007, 10:52 PM

Apostolic Friends,

I see much has been said during my eight hours away at work. All of it with exception of the thoughtful post by Esther has basically been the same.

I have been reading the Bible almost daily since Feb. 15 1974. I have read over and over again the many places where the Prophets and Preachers of old including the Lord Jesus prophesied of judgment against sin.

I have heard modern day Preachers also preach that God would judge America for its sins. Yet why is it when these things happen Church people cannot see it? Is YHWH the same yesterday, today, and forever?

I invite any of you to do something. Go to the book of Kings for instance. Start reading from the beginning and read through also 2 Kings. An unmistakeable pattern emerges.

YHWH is activley involved in the affairs of men. Notice as you read that practically ALL of the actions good or bad of the Kings were answered by YHWH. If a King did evil we read of it. If he did good we read about it.

Wars, famines, captivities are all said to be a direct result of YHWH blessing or punishing.

Its easy to look back and see what I am saying is true. Yet IN OUR TIME if and when God decides to intervene in the affairs of men there is a great outcry such as on the AFF Forum today. Men and women saying he would not do such a thing.

Pray tell friends can you name a time in this generation you believe that God intervened in the affairs of the nations? Or after Jesus came do you think he does not concern himself with nations any longer? Are they doing what they do apart from his knowledge?

In your opinion what would it take for the Almighty Elohim of the Bible to strike judgment upon a nation? Or is it your belief he will only judge on an individual basis on the day of judgment?

Praxeas · #8 10-24-2007, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Apostolic Friends,

I see much has been said during my eight hours away at work. All of it with exception of the thoughtful post by Esther has basically been the same.

I have been reading the Bible almost daily since Feb. 15 1974. I have read over and over again the many places where the Prophets and Preachers of old including the Lord Jesus prophesied of judgment against sin.

I have heard modern day Preachers also preach that God would judge America for its sins. Yet why is it when these things happen Church people cannot see it? Is YHWH the same yesterday, today, and forever?

I invite any of you to do something. Go to the book of Kings for instance. Start reading from the beginning and read through also 2 Kings. An unmistakeable pattern emerges.

YHWH is activley involved in the affairs of men. Notice as you read that practically ALL of the actions good or bad of the Kings were answered by YHWH. If a King did evil we read of it. If he did good we read about it.

Wars, famines, captivities are all said to be a direct result of YHWH blessing or punishing.

Its easy to look back and see what I am saying is true. Yet IN OUR TIME if and when God decides to intervene in the affairs of men there is a great outcry such as on the AFF Forum today. Men and women saying he would not do such a thing.

Pray tell friends can you name a time in this generation you believe that God intervened in the affairs of the nations? Or after Jesus came do you think he does not concern himself with nations any longer? Are they doing what they do apart from his knowledge?

In your opinion what would it take for the Almighty Elohim of the Bible to strike judgment upon a nation? Or is it your belief he will only judge on an individual basis on the day of judgment?

Nothing you posted proves that God punished all those people in California because of what some legislator did.

Most glaring is your non-answers to the refutation of your sodom arguments and the other arguments.

I repeat, we have fires EVERY YEAR around this time. IN fact we just had a huge fire in the Los Padres National Forest near Zaca Lake that lasted for a month or more...where were you then? For what sin was that? What about the fires this time last year? The year before that?

You have no answer other than to say the only "thoughtful post" was Esthers?

You know, it does not take a super duper spiritual "prophet" to read the news paper and tie a yearly re-occuring tragic event to what just happened in Sacramento.

It also does not take a prophet to predict fires this time of year. I repeat, we have these EVERY YEAR about this time of year.

What was Californications sin last year? And the year before that? And that? And that? And that?

You also implicated all Californians being fornicators, that includes me buster. You need to go back and respond to those other thoughtful posts and offer some explanations or apologies as far as I am concerned.