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10-26-2007, 07:14 PM
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Anybody consider that God chooses those whom He will heal?????
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So God lied when he said that "by his stripes Ye are healed"?? I guess some will have to throw that portion of scripture away, because God is sovereign, and his Word is not for all. I wonder how one could truely pray for healing of a crippled in faith if he is unsure. Its the lottery of healing, I guess.
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10-26-2007, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by stmatthew
So God lied when he said that "by his stripes Ye are healed"?? I guess some will have to throw that portion of scripture away, because God is sovereign, and his Word is not for all. I wonder how one could truely pray for healing of a crippled in faith if he is unsure. Its the lottery of healing, I guess.
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This view is why these discussions cannot be productive for the most part. For some, God is either a liar, or most of Christianity is faithless and without love.
To me, this is just sad.
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10-26-2007, 07:31 PM
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This view is why these discussions cannot be productive for the most part. For some, God is either a liar, or most of Christianity is faithless and without love.
To me, this is just sad.
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Why not deal with the legitimate question even if you do not like the rough way I presented it.
Does Gods sovereignty mean that he will disavow his Word that is forever settled in heaven, and not heal someone that comes to him in faith? His Word does give promise of healing when it states that:
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Isa 53:4 Surely our sicknesses he hath borne, And our pains -- he hath carried them, And we -- we have esteemed him plagued, Smitten of God, and afflicted.
Isa 53:5 And he is pierced for our transgressions, Bruised for our iniquities, The chastisement of our peace [is] on him, And by his bruise there is healing to us. (YLT)
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10-26-2007, 07:43 PM
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Why not deal with the legitimate question even if you do not like the rough way I presented it.
Does Gods sovereignty mean that he will disavow his Word that is forever settled in heave, and not heal someone that comes to him in faith? His Word does give promise of healing when it states that:
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I see absolutely no conflict in the passage and a saint that is full of faith and the Holy Spirit but sick in body - even dying.
It is a message of strength and victorious hope to rest in the sovereignty of God Almighty. I fully understand making our desires known to God, but ultimately our prayer must be "not mine - but thy will be done".
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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10-26-2007, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
I see absolutely no conflict in the passage and a saint that is full of faith and the Holy Spirit but sick in body - even dying.
It is a message of strength and victorious hope to rest in the sovereignty of God Almighty. I fully understand making our desires known to God, but ultimately our prayer must be "not mine - but thy will be done".
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I agree with your bolded part 100%. But the fact is that if you have the Word of God plainly promising your healing, then you HAVE HIS WILL.
It is so funny that Jesus came healing everyone that he touched, yet we in 2007 still question if it is his will to heal.
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10-26-2007, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by stmatthew
So God lied when he said that "by his stripes Ye are healed"?? I guess some will have to throw that portion of scripture away, because God is sovereign, and his Word is not for all. I wonder how one could truely pray for healing of a crippled in faith if he is unsure. Its the lottery of healing, I guess.
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Actually, the scripture that you refer to does offer a guaranteed healing every time for everyone!
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. 1 Peter 2:24
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. Isaiah 53:5
There's no "lottery." Just believe that Jesus Christ died for your sins, and that God raised him from the dead then you shall be healed (saved). Romans 10:9
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10-26-2007, 07:51 PM
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Actually, the scripture that you refer to does offer a guaranteed healing every time for everyone!
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. 1 Peter 2:24
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. Isaiah 53:5
There's no "lottery." Just believe that Jesus Christ died for your sins, and that God raised him from the dead then you shall be healed (saved). Romans 10:9 |
If you equate Isaiah 53 only to spiritual, you are missing much of what is there. Look at the new testament fulfillment in action on this verse.
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Mat 8:16 And evening having come, they brought to him many demoniacs, and he did cast out the spirits with a word, and did heal all who were ill,
Mat 8:17 that it might be fulfilled that was spoken through Isaiah the prophet, saying, `Himself took our infirmities, and the sicknesses he did bear.'
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