How Many "3 Steppers" Do We Have On Aff???

Originally Posted by Stephanas

Do you believe that a life of holiness is essential to salvation?

If so, how is that not a fourth step?

Oh there are MANY aspects of living for God after the fact one has obeyed the 3 steps. I most certainly believe in Holiness, and it being essential to one's making Heaven their home.

However Acts 2:38 didn't mention Holiness standards ... remember what the LIBS say about new converts "Now we can't scare them off by mentioning Holiness standards, we got to get them in first ..." which is true, but Acts 2:38 is the 3 steps of one's being apart of the body of Christ (Church)

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Caston Smith

Oh there are MANY aspects of living for God after the fact one has obeyed the 3 steps. I most certainly believe in Holiness, and it being essential to one's making Heaven their home.

However Acts 2:38 didn't mention Holiness standards ... remember what the LIBS say about new converts "Now we can't scare them off by mentioning Holiness standards, we got to get them in first ..." which is true, but Acts 2:38 is the 3 steps of one's being apart of the body of Christ (Church)

I think most "libs" would say that "we shouldn't scare them off with extra-biblical rules..."

But you say that you agree to a method of deception here. We have to "get them in first" before we tell them what we're all about? That's deceptive. Why not be upfront with people. Let them know right off what they're getting in for?

I've never liked the deception in our evangelism.

Originally Posted by pelathais

I think most "libs" would say that "we shouldn't scare them off with extra-biblical rules..."

But you say that you agree to a method of deception here. We have to "get them in first" before we tell them what we're all about? That's deceptive. Why not be upfront with people. Let them know right off what they're getting in for?

I've never liked the deception in our evangelism.

Oh trust me ... people in our city know exactly what we are. There's no deception at all. The church has been there every since the early 30's it was started by the late Elder D. L. Welch from Pensacola, Florida.

[RevDWW]

No no no....it's not steps, it's a recipe. You have to have all the ingredients of John3 and Acts2 to make the bread.

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

No no no....it's not steps, it's a recipe. You have to have all the ingredients of John3 and Acts2 to make the bread.

Bump........

[RevDWW]

Matthew 5:20 (KJV) 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 18:1 - 3 (KJV) 1 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? 2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, 3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

John 3:3 (KJV) 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

John 15:4 - 7 (KJV) 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

What is really necessary?
Repentance?
The new birth?
Abide in Jesus?


What comprises the New Birth?

[StillStanding]

Psalm 37:23 The three steps of a good man are ordered by the LORD: and he delighteth in his way.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Caston Smith

Oh trust me ... people in our city know exactly what we are. There's no deception at all. The church has been there every since the early 30's it was started by the late Elder D. L. Welch from Pensacola, Florida.

I met Elder Welch many years ago. I would say that his church today tends to be "progressive" (though I hate when that term is used among Apostolics) in many ways. Many of the standards that you describe are not followed there.

From your standpoint, are they "slipping" or is it just "apples and oranges" to you?

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I met Elder Welch many years ago. I would say that his church today tends to be "progressive" (though I hate when that term is used among Apostolics) in many ways. Many of the standards that you describe are not followed there.

From your standpoint, are they "slipping" or is it just "apples and oranges" to you?

I grew up in Florida, met Bro Welch several times as a child. Know his kin, and church people in Pensacola. Can only imagine how mortified he would by your attitude.

Originally Posted by pelathais

I met Elder Welch many years ago. I would say that his church today tends to be "progressive" (though I hate when that term is used among Apostolics) in many ways. Many of the standards that you describe are not followed there.

From your standpoint, are they "slipping" or is it just "apples and oranges" to you?

Standards is the least of the Pensacola church's problems ... but we won't go there.