Signs & Wonders

mizpeh · #1 10-27-2007, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave

The lack of context is overwhelming.........

I was constrained by time and laziness.

Jesus is the same always, if he healed all that came to him when walking on the earth, he does the same now, only through his Spirit-filled saints. Faith does play a role in everything we receive from Jesus including healing. He hasn't changed. The same principles apply.

As for the man who was crippled and healed, God knows the times and the seasons. The when and the whys. I believe God is no respecter of persons. He doesn't willy nilly pick and chose who to heal and who to save. That's the impression I get from your post when you attribute all healing to God's sovereignity. If anyone comes to Him in faith believing, according to his word, they will be healed. Unless there are other reasons, like Paul's thorn in the flesh. I don't claim to know it all, but I believe God will honor his word if we obey the conditions of his promises.

Hoovie · #2 10-27-2007, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

I was constrained by time and laziness.

Jesus is the same always, if he healed all that came to him when walking on the earth, he does the same now, only through his Spirit-filled saints. Faith does play a role in everything we receive from Jesus including healing. He hasn't changed. The same principles apply.
As for the man who was crippled and healed, God knows the times and the seasons. The when and the whys. I believe God is no respecter of persons. He doesn't willy nilly pick and chose who to heal and who to save. That's the impression I get from your post when you attribute all healing to God's sovereignity. If anyone comes to Him in faith believing, according to his word, they will be healed. Unless there are other reasons, like Paul's thorn in the flesh. I don't claim to know it all, but I believe God will honor his word if we obey the conditions of his promises.

B-b-but... he turned the water into wine at a wedding when there arose a shortage... We had a shortage at my own wedding, I believed, but no wine.

What gives???

stmatthew · #3 10-27-2007, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

B-b-but... he turned the water into wine at a wedding when there arose a shortage... We had a shortage at my own wedding, I believed, but no wine.

What gives???

Is there a promise that Jesus will turn your water into wine?? NO!

Is there a promise that Jesus will heal you sickness?? MANY OF THEM!!!

Apples and watermelons.

Hoovie · #4 10-27-2007, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

Is there a promise that Jesus will turn your water into wine?? NO!

Is there a promise that Jesus will heal you sickness?? MANY OF THEM!!!

Apples and watermelons.

It was TIC.

I was responding to Mizpeh's comment that, "if he healed all that came to him when walking on the earth, he does the same now"

I do believe this to be false teaching - unless he is making reference to the healing of our bodies after death in the resurection.

stmatthew · #5 10-27-2007, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

It was TIC.

I was responding to Mizpeh's comment that, "if he healed all that came to him when walking on the earth, he does the same now"

I do believe this to be false teaching - unless he is making reference to the healing of our bodies after death in the resurection.

Bro, Scripture PLAINLY states that Jesus bore our sicknesses on the cross. Now if you want to make this a healing after death in the resurrection, then I believe that you would have to deny that it is available prior to that occurrence. And if you believe that it is available to even one, then it is available to everyone, because we know that God is not a respecter of persons.

I also showed that the fulfillment to Isaiah 53 where it states that Jesus bore our sicknesses was natural healing this side of death according to the sovereign Word in Matt 9

Hoovie · #6 10-27-2007, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

Bro, Scripture PLAINLY states that Jesus bore our sicknesses on the cross. Now if you want to make this a healing after death in the resurrection, then I believe that you would have to deny that it is available prior to that occurrence. And if you believe that it is available to even one, then it is available to everyone, because we know that God is not a respecter of persons.

I also showed that the fulfillment to Isaiah 53 where it states that Jesus bore our sicknesses was natural healing this side of death according to the sovereign Word in Matt 9

Question: If it was indeed "the fulfillment" why do we try so hard to rationalize why/why not, it is yet to come in this same way?

stmatthew · #7 10-27-2007, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

Bro, Scripture PLAINLY states that Jesus bore our sicknesses on the cross. Now if you want to make this a healing after death in the resurrection, then I believe that you would have to deny that it is available prior to that occurrence. And if you believe that it is available to even one, then it is available to everyone, because we know that God is not a respecter of persons.

I also showed that the fulfillment to Isaiah 53 where it states that Jesus bore our sicknesses was natural healing this side of death according to the sovereign Word in Matt 9

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Question: If it was indeed "the fulfillment" why do we try so hard to rationalize why/why not, it is yet to come in this same way?

First, it was Matt 8. My bad for typing it wrong.

My honest opinion is that we struggle with believing that healing from sickness and disease is available for every individual because we do not see everyone being healed. Even those that we pray for many times die from sickness and disease despite our desperate and passionate prayers. So I believe many judge, and their understanding of Gods Word becomes skewed, by their experience. Thus they adopt a doctrine that is more in line with their experience, than in line with the Word of God.