The Reason Some Apostolics Are Concerned: The Results of Erased Lines

[ThePastorsCoach]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Do you have a message on the Revelation of Jesus Christ? I looked on your site but can't find one?

Yes - I do have a message on the Revelation of Jesus Christ! I am it! It is something I live and not something that I condemn people by!

All of my messages on line are MINISTRY BASED and are not meant to establish people doctrinally. I do that with my leadership. We don't shove meat down the mouth of babes here.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

Yes - I do have a message on the Revelation of Jesus Christ! I am it! It is something I live and not something that I condemn people by!

All of my messages on line are MINISTRY BASED and are not meant to establish people doctrinally. I do that with my leadership. We don't shove meat down the mouth of babes here.

I can understand not shoving meat down the mouths of babes, but basic Oneness teaching is not meat. Saying Jesus is God manifest in the flesh is not meat, or saying God, who is a omnipresent Spirit, took on flesh and blood to take away the sin world is not meat, or Jesus Christ is God with us, or that there is only one God.

But you said you believed in another teaching of Oneness other than Bernard's and I was curious as to what it is. You gave me the link to your website and I was hoping I could find it on there, but it isn't. I'm not trying to give you a hard time for leaving the UPC, being on TBN, or whatever you do. I'm interested in your version of Oneness.

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

I can understand not shoving meat down the mouths of babes, but basic Oneness teaching is not meat. Saying Jesus is God manifest in the flesh is not meat, or saying God, who is a omnipresent Spirit, took on flesh and blood to take away the sin world is not meat, or Jesus Christ is God with us, or that there is only one God.

I beg to differ. I have been in three churches now where the Trinitarian-Oneness debates were shown, and lock, stock and barrel, there were folks pretty upset afterward because of the confusion brought about, the fact there was no one to answer their questions at the end in the town hall.

Interestingly enough then-UPC Robert Sabin himself was present during one of these times. It was a pretty heated situation.

I am always confused, Jesus said that the Holy Ghost revealed "Who do you say that I am" but then on the other hand we think everyone should accept it at face value with no depth.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

I beg to differ. I have been in three churches now where the Trinitarian-Oneness debates were shown, and lock, stock and barrel, there were folks pretty upset afterward because of the confusion brought about, the fact there was no one to answer their questions at the end in the town hall.

Interestingly enough then-UPC Robert Sabin himself was present during one of these times. It was a pretty heated situation.

I am always confused, Jesus said that the Holy Ghost revealed "Who do you say that I am" but then on the other hand we think everyone should accept it at face value with no depth.

Carp,

There is meat to the Oneness doctrine but to say basic statements like Jesus is God in the flesh or there is only one God who is one or to describe God as three manifestations isn't meat. You can teach babes the basics but eventually they will want meat. They will have questions that they would like answers to. Like if Jesus is God why did he say he could do nothing of his own self? Oneness teaching can be taught in layers like basic math which leads into the harder stuff like Algerbra, Trig, Calculus. But you have to build on the basics before you can get to the more difficult things.

I've been working on trying to understand the meat for two years now. I've learned alot from Trinitarians in my search but I've also been confused by them as well. I've found I don't agree with everything Bernard, or Dulle, or others I've read on forums say. I'm going to keep searching. That's why I asked AB what he meant by the Revelation of Jesus Christ. Now that I think about it I don't think he meant a certain teaching but perhaps he was referring to what Jesus said that no man knows the Son but the Father, and no man knows the Father but the Son, and to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

[ThePastorsCoach]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

I can understand not shoving meat down the mouths of babes, but basic Oneness teaching is not meat. Saying Jesus is God manifest in the flesh is not meat, or saying God, who is a omnipresent Spirit, took on flesh and blood to take away the sin world is not meat, or Jesus Christ is God with us, or that there is only one God.

But you said you believed in another teaching of Oneness other than Bernard's and I was curious as to what it is. You gave me the link to your website and I was hoping I could find it on there, but it isn't. I'm not trying to give you a hard time for leaving the UPC, being on TBN, or whatever you do. I'm interested in your version of Oneness.

I do not teach "basic Oneness Hall/Bernard" theology at Church Alive. I have never believed it and have never taught it. I do teach that Jesus Christ is God manifest in the Flesh. I teach that God, who is an omnipresent Spirit and has not flesh, bones and blood, took on human flesh and blood and gave himself as a sacrifice for the sin of mankind and that we can only be saved or redeemed from sin if we repent of our sins and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ who is the Flesh/Son of God. I have always taught that there is only One God and His revealed name in the earth is the Lord Jesus Christ. I have always taught that God was IN Christ - reconciling the world unto Himself. I believe that we enter into Covenant with God in the waters of Baptism when we take on the Name of Jesus Christ. I believe that the Baptism of the Holy Ghost is a free gift from our Father and that we will speak in a supernatural language and manifest the fruit of the Spirit when we are filled to overflowing with God's Power. We will then be witnesses of the Lordship of Jesus Christ.

These are things that I teach but I do not take a message to preach this to the attenders of Church Alive. I teach this to Leadership. We deal with things like this in classes. When I preach or teach a message to the entire assembly - I construct those messages - to MINISTER to the people. Over half of our attendees are also in Leadership Classes.

I did not say I "believed in another teaching of Oneness other than Bernard's". I do not believe that one, two or three men or a committee can define God for an entire movement and then if you do not agree with their theology - you don't "believe the TRUTH". What they teach is Oneness Pentecostal Denominational Theology and I do not believe one can put God in a box and define him and confine him to one's own sectarian and elitist views.

God is bigger and Greater than all of us!

[SDG]

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

I do not teach "basic Oneness Hall/Bernard" theology at Church Alive. I have never believed it and have never taught it. I do teach that Jesus Christ is God manifest in the Flesh. I teach that God, who is an omnipresent Spirit and has not flesh, bones and blood, took on human flesh and blood and gave himself as a sacrifice for the sin of mankind and that we can only be saved or redeemed from sin if we repent of our sins and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ who is the Flesh/Son of God. I have always taught that there is only One God and His revealed name in the earth is the Lord Jesus Christ. I have always taught that God was IN Christ - reconciling the world unto Himself. I believe that we enter into Covenant with God in the waters of Baptism when we take on the Name of Jesus Christ. I believe that the Baptism of the Holy Ghost is a free gift from our Father and that we will speak in a supernatural language and manifest the fruit of the Spirit when we are filled to overflowing with God's Power. We will then be witnesses of the Lordship of Jesus Christ.

These are things that I teach but I do not take a message to preach this to the attenders of Church Alive. I teach this to Leadership. We deal with things like this in classes. When I preach or teach a message to the entire assembly - I construct those messages - to MINISTER to the people. Over half of our attendees are also in Leadership Classes.

I did not say I "believed in another teaching of Oneness other than Bernard's". I do not believe that one, two or three men or a committee can define God for an entire movement and then if you do not agree with their theology - you don't "believe the TRUTH". What they teach is Oneness Pentecostal Denominational Theology and I do not believe one can put God in a box and define him and confine him to one's own sectarian and elitist views.

God is bigger and Greater than all of us!

Glorrrrrrrrrrrrrry!!! * Dan shockamoos in the presence of his enemies*

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

I do not teach "basic Oneness Hall/Bernard" theology at Church Alive. I have never believed it and have never taught it. I do teach that Jesus Christ is God manifest in the Flesh. I teach that God, who is an omnipresent Spirit and has not flesh, bones and blood, took on human flesh and blood and gave himself as a sacrifice for the sin of mankind and that we can only be saved or redeemed from sin if we repent of our sins and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ who is the Flesh/Son of God. I have always taught that there is only One God and His revealed name in the earth is the Lord Jesus Christ. I have always taught that God was IN Christ - reconciling the world unto Himself. I believe that we enter into Covenant with God in the waters of Baptism when we take on the Name of Jesus Christ. I believe that the Baptism of the Holy Ghost is a free gift from our Father and that we will speak in a supernatural language and manifest the fruit of the Spirit when we are filled to overflowing with God's Power. We will then be witnesses of the Lordship of Jesus Christ.

These are things that I teach but I do not take a message to preach this to the attenders of Church Alive. I teach this to Leadership. We deal with things like this in classes. When I preach or teach a message to the entire assembly - I construct those messages - to MINISTER to the people. Over half of our attendees are also in Leadership Classes.

I did not say I "believed in another teaching of Oneness other than Bernard's". I do not believe that one, two or three men or a committee can define God for an entire movement and then if you do not agree with their theology - you don't "believe the TRUTH". What they teach is Oneness Pentecostal Denominational Theology and I do not believe one can put God in a box and define him and confine him to one's own sectarian and elitist views.

God is bigger and Greater than all of us!

POST OF THE DAY!!!

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

I do not teach "basic Oneness Hall/Bernard" theology at Church Alive. I have never believed it and have never taught it. I do teach that Jesus Christ is God manifest in the Flesh. I teach that God, who is an omnipresent Spirit and has not flesh, bones and blood, took on human flesh and blood and gave himself as a sacrifice for the sin of mankind and that we can only be saved or redeemed from sin if we repent of our sins and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ who is the Flesh/Son of God. I have always taught that there is only One God and His revealed name in the earth is the Lord Jesus Christ. I have always taught that God was IN Christ - reconciling the world unto Himself. I believe that we enter into Covenant with God in the waters of Baptism when we take on the Name of Jesus Christ. I believe that the Baptism of the Holy Ghost is a free gift from our Father and that we will speak in a supernatural language and manifest the fruit of the Spirit when we are filled to overflowing with God's Power. We will then be witnesses of the Lordship of Jesus Christ.

These are things that I teach but I do not take a message to preach this to the attenders of Church Alive. I teach this to Leadership. We deal with things like this in classes. When I preach or teach a message to the entire assembly - I construct those messages - to MINISTER to the people. Over half of our attendees are also in Leadership Classes.

I did not say I "believed in another teaching of Oneness other than Bernard's". I do not believe that one, two or three men or a committee can define God for an entire movement and then if you do not agree with their theology - you don't "believe the TRUTH". What they teach is Oneness Pentecostal Denominational Theology and I do not believe one can put God in a box and define him and confine him to one's own sectarian and elitist views.

God is bigger and Greater than all of us!

Thank you, AB. I misunderstood you.

Why do you come across so adversarial at times about these things?

[ThePastorsCoach]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Thank you, AB. I misunderstood you.

Why do you come across so adversarial at times about these things?

I been misunderstood before!
Pray fer me - I been 'buked and scorned and criticized and scandalized and beaten with a wet noodle till I am about half dead. It has affected my mind and I am only two votes away now - from being TOTALLY THREE GODS or Trinitarinism. I appreciate your admonishment to keep on the firing line!

I am so inspired - I think I will go back to preaching against red shoes and Mickey Mouse Watches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!