The LIE

[ThePastorsCoach]

I think some need to read the first post again and answer the question!

[The Dean]

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

This is the problem exactly - you know its a lie and you wont address it because you are threatened by the answer!
I am secure enough in my belief in the Revelation of Jesus Christ that I am not threatened theologically. The Revelation I have came from GOD and not a ONENESS Bible school teacher that had been taught by another ONENESS Bible School teacher that had been taught by another ONENESS Bible School teacher.

Why do you think that someone is asking you to be "comfortable in climbing in the saddle with them"? No one is asking that!

I am just asking WHO STARTED THE LIE?????????????

We all have sense enough and have heard it a million times or more and know the TRINITARIAN doctrine more than the Trinitarians themselves.
THAT IS NOT THE QUESTION!!!!!!!!!

You might want to read the questions again.
WHO STARTED THE LIE?

I know what is a lie? The trinity?

That may well be the only thing I've agreed with you about in a while.

[revrandy]

AB...

Your "pointed" question is certainly not without innocence..that is no LIE...

I could understand your premise but in principle it doesn't really require an answer...

the fact is Trinity is certainly a false Doctrine and should be regarded as such... if we were to apply that same fellowship issues (that you certainly are discussing in this) across the board then all Trinitarians should be acceptable... Jehovah Witness....Mormons...and so forth....

Why draw the line with just a few?

[ThePastorsCoach]

Are the ones that preached this lie and told their people that Trinitarians believe in THREE GOD'S avoiding the question?

You guys are putting up a good smoke screen and doing what you do every week - saying the same old thing over and over and over and doing your best to convince people of what you know is NOT TRUE!
You know that Trinitarians do not believe in Three God's.

I challenge you to pick up the phone and call 5 or 10 Churches tomorrow and just ask them the question - Do you believe in Three God's?

Call the A/G, COG, PH, Baptist, Presbyterian, Lutheran, Methodist, Charismatic, and ask them "DO YOU BELIEVE IN THREE GOD'S?"and them post on this thread what the answer to the question is.

You won't do it because you know what they will say - NO - We believe in ONE GOD.
Face it guys - you know somebody has lied and you won't admit it!

THE DEAN - Call your friend and ask him if he believes in THREE GOD'S? If he says NO - tell him you been preaching to your people that he believes in THREE GOD'S. Will you (not addressing THE DEAN here) tell the other pastors in town that you preach that they believe in THREE GOD'S????

Who started this lie that Trinitarians believe in THREE GOD'S?

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

Are the ones that preached this lie and told their people that Trinitarians believe in THREE GOD'S avoiding the question?

You guys are putting up a good smoke screen and doing what you do every week - saying the same old thing over and over and over and doing your best to convince people of what you know is NOT TRUE!
You know that Trinitarians do not believe in Three God's.

I challenge you to pick up the phone and call 5 or 10 Churches tomorrow and just ask them the question - Do you believe in Three God's?

Call the A/G, COG, PH, Baptist, Presbyterian, Lutheran, Methodist, Charismatic, and ask them "DO YOU BELIEVE IN THREE GOD'S?"and them post on this thread what the answer to the question is.

You won't do it because you know what they will say - NO - We believe in ONE GOD.
Face it guys - you know somebody has lied and you won't admit it!
THE DEAN - Call you friend and ask him if he believes in THREE GOD'S? If he says NO - tell him you been preaching to your people that he believes in THREE GOD'S. Will you tell the other pastors in town that you preach that they believe in THREE GOD'S????

Who started this lie that Trinitarians believe in THREE GOD'S?

Then Ask them who Jesus is...and who the Holy Ghost is...

I don't think any of them would say three Gods... but I would be interested in knowing who Jesus is to them...

[Neck]

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

This is to some old timers and students of Oneness History.

I am not trying to get into a theological debate with these questions.
I can argue both theological positions very well - so I am not asking for scriptures to PROVE your position.
I KNOW your position and don't need any condescending remarks.
I know what the Creeds say and I know the definition of the Trinity from Trinitarian scholars.
If you can't answer the questions - That is OK!
If you can - please let's do this in a civil and a Christian manner.
I am an Apostolic. I was baptized in Jesus name as has been my wife and children. I have always baptized every person I have baptized - in the name of Jesus. I have never been a Trinitarian and have never preached or believed the Trinitarian doctrine of three persons in the Godhead even though I was raised and educated in what you call - A "Trinitarian" Church.


This is the premise of the questions:
I was born and raised as a Fourth generational Pentecostal student of biblical and religious history. I have studied history and religion all of my life. I was raised in a Pentecostal home & church. My Great Grandmother, Grandmother and Mother all had the Holy Ghost and I was filled at the age of 5. I was baptized the first time, "In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost". The F/S/HG was praised and mentioned, but I can never remember anything remotely resembling a remark as - "We believe in Three God's". They did not even preach the Trinity - just baptized in the titles. I know theologically - they believed it - but they did not understand it nor preach it.
I have NEVER heard in my church, home, College or anywhere else from any "Trinitarian" that they believe in "Three God's".

I have heard over and over again from "Apostolics" - that "Trinitarians believe in Three God's". I believe this to be a lie.
This lie had to start somewhere with somebody. I want to know where and when and with who did it start. Here we go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


When did the lie start that Trinitarians believe in Three God's?
Who told this lie to start with?
Where was this lie first preached?
What year was the lie first told or preached?
Did the lie begin in the UPC or Independent Oneness ranks?
Where did you hear this lie for the first time?

Then how do you explain that they do believe that this God is in three person's.

The word Trinty means 3.

The very idea that 3 person's co-equally existing together but having different functions while still being one God?

3 seperate but co-equal persons adding up to one God?

There is One God, we should not divide him up into a counsel of person's.

Hear O Israel the Lord our God is One.

You can call him by many attributes and not be dividing him into person's.

When the father turns his head, does the head of Jesus and the HG turn?

If your answer would be no by logic?

Then would there not be 3 Gods? If you believe there are 3 person's?

I believe when the Father turns his head he is turning the head of Jesus and the Holy Ghost because in the order of expression.

Jesus being the expressed image then what you see of God is one head turning...

Oh well....

If Jesus was only the physical manifestation of God, then why is the human shell that he inhabited still necessary?

*Running away as fast as I can*

[chosenbyone]

AB,

You're question of who started the lie of there being three Gods would lead back to many COG and AOG churches. I have had family on both my mother and father's side of the family who attended those churches and to many the Godhead was a mystery, indeed.

My mother when asked how many thrones were in heaven replied, "There are three thrones, one for the Father, one for the Son and one for the Holy Ghost". The confusion wasn't the fault of the ones who have had a revelation of the Oneness of God, but from the very pulpit of those that have been leading their followers in this erroneous doctrine.

[Nahum]

Anyone who believes in a god in/as three persons...coequal, coexistent, coeternal, believes in three separate entities - or three gods.

The concept is of God as a team.

It is tritheism.

I will readily agree that the majority of Protestant laypersons do not believe in three gods. But the official dogma of trinitarians is obviously tritheistic.

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Sheltiedad

If Jesus was only the physical manifestation of God, then why is the human shell that he inhabited still necessary?

*Running away as fast as I can*

Your statement is confusing since your question holds it's own answer?