John Hagee books

[Michael The Disciple]

John Hagee is an anti christ. He is teaching that Yeshua is not the Messiah.

http://www.vloggingtheapocalypse.com..._MESSIAH_quot_

[Sister Alvear]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

John Hagee is an anti christ. He is teaching that Yeshua is not the Messiah.

http://www.vloggingtheapocalypse.com..._MESSIAH_quot_

How sad...no I did not know that..the book I am reading is mostly history about the Jews.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

John Hagee is an anti christ. He is teaching that Yeshua is not the Messiah.

http://www.vloggingtheapocalypse.com..._MESSIAH_quot_

I went to that site and saw the following:

In a video advertisement for his book “In Defense of Israel”, Pastor John Hagee, director of Christians United For Israel claims:
"The Jewish people, as a whole did not reject Jesus as Messiah."
"Jesus did not come to Earth to be the Messiah."
"Jesus refused by word and deed to be the Messiah."
"The Jews cannot be blamed for not accepting what was never offered."

Somewhere I had read that John Hagee teaches that the Jews do not need Jesus for salvation, that they are OK some other way, but I did not know how accurate that statement was. I wonder what Pastor Hagee is really saying?

It has been my opinion that Jesus came to be the Messiah. In Matthew 2 the wise men came seeking the One who was born as King of the Jews (Mt 2:2). Herod checked with the scribes and priests as to where "Christ") (the Anointed One or Messiah) was to be born (Mt 2:4). The angels announced to the shepherds that a Savior was born and He was "Christ the Lord" (Luke 2:11). After Andrew was introduced to Jesus by John the Baptist he went to his brother Peter and said, "We have found the Messiah" and the author of the Gospel adds the explanation "(which is translated, the Christ)." (John 1:35-41). Later, when Jesus was speaking to the woman at the well in Samaria, she said, "I know that Messiah is coming. When He comes He will tell us all things." (John 4:25). Again John adds the explanation "(who is called Christ)" to explain her words. Jesus then responds to her, "I who speak to you an He" in verse 26. Then in Acts chapter 17 it tells about the Apostle Paul's ministry in Thessalonica. As he usually did, he first went to the local synagogue and there for 3 sabbaths he reasoned with them from the Scriptures. Luke describes the method Paul used. First, he was "explaining and demonstrating that the Christ/Messiah had to suffeer and rise again from the dead." Then after explaining that their prophecies told about a suffering and dying Messiah, his next step was to go on and state, "This Jesus whom I preach to you is the Christ."

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Sam

I went to that site and saw the following:

In a video advertisement for his book “In Defense of Israel”, Pastor John Hagee, director of Christians United For Israel claims:
"The Jewish people, as a whole did not reject Jesus as Messiah."
"Jesus did not come to Earth to be the Messiah."
"Jesus refused by word and deed to be the Messiah."
"The Jews cannot be blamed for not accepting what was never offered."

Somewhere I had read that John Hagee teaches that the Jews do not need Jesus for salvation, that they are OK some other way, but I did not know how accurate that statement was. I wonder what Pastor Hagee is really saying?

It has been my opinion that Jesus came to be the Messiah. In Matthew 2 the wise men came seeking the One who was born as King of the Jews (Mt 2:2). Herod checked with the scribes and priests as to where "Christ") (the Anointed One or Messiah) was to be born (Mt 2:4). The angels announced to the shepherds that a Savior was born and He was "Christ the Lord" (Luke 2:11). After Andrew was introduced to Jesus by John the Baptist he went to his brother Peter and said, "We have found the Messiah" and the author of the Gospel adds the explanation "(which is translated, the Christ)." (John 1:35-41). Later, when Jesus was speaking to the woman at the well in Samaria, she said, "I know that Messiah is coming. When He comes He will tell us all things." (John 4:25). Again John adds the explanation "(who is called Christ)" to explain her words. Jesus then responds to her, "I who speak to you an He" in verse 26. Then in Acts chapter 17 it tells about the Apostle Paul's ministry in Thessalonica. As he usually did, he first went to the local synagogue and there for 3 sabbaths he reasoned with them from the Scriptures. Luke describes the method Paul used. First, he was "explaining and demonstrating that the Christ/Messiah had to suffeer and rise again from the dead." Then after explaining that their prophecies told about a suffering and dying Messiah, his next step was to go on and state, "This Jesus whom I preach to you is the Christ."

I don't agree with much the JH has to say, however how do you explain Mark 4:10-13 in light of your above post?

Mark 4:10-13 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society



10When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. 11He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12so that,
" 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving,
and ever hearing but never understanding;
otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'[a]"

13Then Jesus said to them, "Don't you understand this parable? How then will you understand any parable?

Footnotes:

Mark 4:12 Isaiah 6:9,10

[Michael The Disciple]

Jesus was and is the Messiah. It is preached openly. But it is only revealed by the Father in Heaven.

15: He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16: And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17: And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

The gospel is to be preached but not everyone is called to it. If one is they will accept it.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by crakjak

I don't agree with much the JH has to say, however how do you explain Mark 4:10-13 in light of your above post?
...
10When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. 11He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12so that,
" 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving,
and ever hearing but never understanding;
otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'[a]"

13Then Jesus said to them, "Don't you understand this parable? How then will you understand any parable?
...
Mark 4:12 Isaiah 6:9,10

Mark 4 and Matthew 13 both cover the same parables of the kingdom and quote from Isaiah 6. In Matthew 13 when asked why He spoke in parables, Jesus said, "Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given." The "you" to whom Jesus spoke were all Jews. The Gospel was to start in Jerusalem and then go into the whole world. Paul said that the Gospel was to the Jew first and also for the Greek" (Rom 1:16). Whenever Paul went to a new place to preach he went to a synagogue if there was one and preached there first. The message of Jesus is for all but was offered to His own people first. The Apostle John said that Jesus was in the world and the world was made by Him but the world knew Him not. He also states that Jesus came unto His own and His own received Him not (John 1:10-11). Jesus realized that not all His people would accept Him, that's why He quoted the passage from Isaiah chapter 6. God foreknew who would accept and who would reject. Now Israel as a nation is cut off and Gentiles who believe are grafted in. Some Jews are accepting Jesus/Yeshua as Christ/Messiah but some day there will be a great turning to Jesus among the Jewish people. 144,000 will be sealed with His name in their foreheads (Rev 7:1-8, 14:15, Zech chapters 12-14).

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Sam

Mark 4 and Matthew 13 both cover the same parables of the kingdom and quote from Isaiah 6. In Matthew 13 when asked why He spoke in parables, Jesus said, "Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given." The "you" to whom Jesus spoke were all Jews. The Gospel was to start in Jerusalem and then go into the whole world. Paul said that the Gospel was to the Jew first and also for the Greek" (Rom 1:16). Whenever Paul went to a new place to preach he went to a synagogue if there was one and preached there first. The message of Jesus is for all but was offered to His own people first. The Apostle John said that Jesus was in the world and the world was made by Him but the world knew Him not. He also states that Jesus came unto His own and His own received Him not (John 1:10-11). Jesus realized that not all His people would accept Him, that's why He quoted the passage from Isaiah chapter 6. God foreknew who would accept and who would reject. Now Israel as a nation is cut off and Gentiles who believe are grafted in. Some Jews are accepting Jesus/Yeshua as Christ/Messiah but some day there will be a great turning to Jesus among the Jewish people. 144,000 will be sealed with His name in their foreheads (Rev 7:1-8, 14:15, Zech chapters 12-14).

I understand what you are presenting, I just think Jesus' statement that He used parables only to those that were outside is strange, since it is reasonable to think that they would have believed if it were presented straightforward. Sounds like He did not intend for some of them to turn and be forgiven.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by crakjak

I understand what you are presenting, I just think Jesus' statement that He used parables only to those that were outside is strange, since it is reasonable to think that they would have believed if it were presented straightforward. Sounds like He did not intend for some of them to turn and be forgiven.

He used parables but then, in this case, explained the meaning of the parables to His disciples. It was like a secret code between Him and His intimate followers. If someone wanted to be an intimate follower, he would have received an explanation. Others just heard the parables. Many already had their minds made up and closed against Him.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

John Hagee is an anti christ. He is teaching that Yeshua is not the Messiah.

http://www.vloggingtheapocalypse.com..._MESSIAH_quot_

I'm no defender of Hagee, but I think he was trying to get to a very nuanced position here. He seems to be making the point that the Jewish people were looking for a conquering King who would re-establish the kingdom in the here and now. Since Jesus didn't come 2,000 years ago to do that, then the Jews are "allowed" to persist under the Law.

Whatever doctrinal fumbling we may detect, it is good that the man is standing up for Israel. We've just been through a period of time when just about all of the world, and certainly the world's media was standing in a very biased attitude against Israel. Even the Internation Red Cross was spewing anti-Israel lies and propaganda.