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Old 11-23-2007, 01:55 PM
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Thad, I have never doubted anything you said!

o please you and many have given my quite a hard time
especially back on FCF
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Old 11-23-2007, 01:56 PM
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Could they sign "with exception" and a note stating their exception?

I don't think the UPCI ship is going nowhere. In fact, I think the purging will have a positive effect!


why will the purging have a positive effect ?
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Old 11-23-2007, 01:57 PM
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o please you and many have given my quite a hard time
especially back on FCF
That's because we love you, Thad!
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Old 11-23-2007, 01:59 PM
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why will the purging have a positive effect ?
United they stand; divided they fall. The one's causing division are leaving which can bring the UPCI the unity they need to keep standing.
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United they stand; divided they fall. The one's causing division are leaving which can bring the UPCI the unity they need to keep standing.
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Old 11-23-2007, 02:10 PM
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that's why /???? ummmm...... Have to digest that one
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What would removing the affirmation change?

The only possible benefit would be to allow some who disagree with the Articles of Faith to avoid a bi-annual lie.

The damage is done - the young ministers are gone - and I doubt they're coming back if the affirmation dies.

On the bright side - the future of the UPC is not anywhere near as bleak as the new conservative organization's prospects. A handful of senior citizens starting a new denomination is as promising as planting watermelon seeds in the Sahara Desert.
IMO, there is not anyone in the UPC that believes, adheres to and teaches every single thing in the Articles of Faith..
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Old 11-23-2007, 02:38 PM
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I believe that the ultra cons dire predictions about Res 4 just being the beginning of things to come is correct.

I do think that there now will be a lot better chance that the affirmation statement will be repealed.

I also think the UPC possibly could move toward more of a true ministerial association affirming and protecting core doctrine but leaving the so called "holiness standards" up to inidividual pastors and churches.

Of course I think this is a good thing and could be the steps that could lead to real evangelism and church growth.

As long as the UPC is sidelined into a preoccuation with non biblical legaism it will be a marginalized religous sect. It puts up so many extra biblical stumbling blocks / yokes on potential converts that many won't even take a look or darken the door.
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Old 11-23-2007, 02:58 PM
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I believe that the ultra cons dire predictions about Res 4 just being the beginning of things to come is correct.

I do think that there now will be a lot better chance that the affirmation statement will be repealed.

I also think the UPC possibly could move toward more of a true ministerial association affirming and protecting core doctrine but leaving the so called "holiness standards" up to inidividual pastors and churches.

Of course I think this is a good thing and could be the steps that could lead to real evangelism and church growth.

As long as the UPC is sidelined into a preoccuation with non biblical legaism it will be a marginalized religous sect. It puts up so many extra biblical stumbling blocks / yokes on potential converts that many won't even take a look or darken the door.

Resolution 4 will do nothing good for the UPC.

Repealing the affirmation is a non-issue. The application that must be signed for reinstatement is much more demanding than the Affirmation.

In the wake of the charges of being too liberal from the ultra-cons, the remaining UPC preachers will be out to prove that they are "holiness preachers." At least for a while the UPC will hear more, not less, standards preaching.

The UPC still forbids preachers having televisions, it still requires uncut hair, denies the existence of women's pants, and preaches a salvation message that excludes 99% of Christians from Heaven.

Don't fall for the Tulsa Tea Party's claims that the UPC has become liberal - that's a smoke screen - I have no idea what's behind the smoke, but it's smoke I smell.

Will you join a UPC church if they repeal the affirmation? If you won't be rushing out to join the nearest location, why would preachers rush to rejoin an organization that has not changed in any significant way?
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Thad, I have never doubted anything you said!
Thad again shows he knows little of the process.
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