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Old 11-25-2007, 12:53 PM
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I do know what you mean, I have been there to.
I prayed and prayed for the desire to come back, I started to desperatly seek God over it, I talked with my pastor about it, and eventually I so wanted the desire, that I was willing to do whatever it took to get it.
I had felt that God wasn't hearing, or answering my prayers for a restoration of my desire and drive to live for God. Little did I know, he was answering my prayers, just not like I thought he would.
I didn't realize that although my desire to live for him, and do the things of God had not seemed to increase, my hunger for that desire had been growing!
I was desperatly seeking the desire, and the whole time God was fueling my desire... for the desire to live for him.
I didn't like the altar either, I just knew if I went up there half the church would swarm me. I'd have to go through the motions again.

But eventually, my desperation for God to renew my desire overwhelmed me, and it was no longer about the church, or the people in it, or wht they think. It was all about Me and God, and I HAD TO get something from him, something that would change me, stir me up, rock my world.

Iwent to that alter, pouring out my soul, giving everything to God, desperatly asking him to change me, CHANGE ME!!! And I went back to the altar a second time, a third, and the next thing I knew, I was going to the altar more often that I didn't.

Then it dawned on me, I had my fire back! I had my zeal back! I really wanted to give it all to God, to live for him, to be his, to get involved.
But something was deeper, I realized that what I had before I had gone away, was much shallower and nieve that what I had now.
I was now more determined to Live right, and now I knew why. My faith is deeper now than it ever was, my thankfullness, and determination was deeper and much more solid.

And you know what else I realized?
That altar? The one I dreaded, and felt like every eye was on me, and people would think "ohh he's a sinner, he must have done something wrong, he must have issues?
Well, now I was a regular at that altar, and I realized people didn't think those things at all. The altar was now a welcome place, a place of refuge, a place of energy, power, and strength. I realized that people weren't seeing me as a sinner with issues, but just a brother that hungers for God, and wants to be right in the middle of where God is moving.

I WOULDN'T WANT TO GO BACK to where I was before I backslid!

Its so much deeper here now!

So really, plant your feet, stand in the face of everything that wars against you, and FIGHT for your desire, your hunger, your very soul.
And then rejoice when you find your joy has returned with it!

Everything that tells you you can't, or its to hard, or you will never make it, or others might, but not you, They are all lies directly from hell. They are simply trying to convince you that you can't, because they know that if you could just realize, and determine yourself, you will!

I come against those lies in the name of Jesus, they are false, there is no truth in them.

In Jesus name, be encouraged!
Again, GREAT stuff...

I was quite surprised that by the time I left the pulpit this morning I had several who had backslidden and successfully returned to God come up to me and give me several other good points. Some of them had already been mentioned by the folks on the forum here.
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Old 11-25-2007, 12:53 PM
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glad you had a good service
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Old 11-25-2007, 12:57 PM
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Well, I answered the question assuming that is what you believed. So why the ???
Maybe we're on the same page here and just can't see it. I realize full well that there are other truth preaching Churches outside the UPC. However, I don't think walking away from the UPC = backslidden.

I DO believe walking away from Apostolic truth = backslidden.

QUESTION: Are you saying that you can walk away from truth and not be backslidden?

Perhaps that is where my confusion is coming in.
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Old 11-25-2007, 01:01 PM
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Enthusiasm is not found in the Bible, but it is a good principle.

Sometimes we have to accept we are 100% of the cause of some of our problems and then decide to move on.

For the backslider, sometimes they have the perception that they are not good enough.

When they have forgotten......... none of us are!
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Old 11-25-2007, 01:04 PM
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glad you had a good service

Thanks! Tonight is going to be even better... I feel it coming...

I genuinely feel sorry for those trapped in situations where they don't have REAL Apostolic Church. I'm thankful for a Church where God - and the response of His people - flows freely.
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Old 11-25-2007, 01:04 PM
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I haven't read the whole thread so if someone has brought this thought please forgive me.

A person that backslides does not leave the principals of truth, they just live in sin. They are still a child of God but lost. II Peter 2:20-21 is not talking about a backslider but someone who leaves truth to follow false doctrine.
I respectfully disagree. The context in 2 Peter 2 speaks chiefly of carnal men leading saints astray but the last three verses is more of a generalization of anyone who has known the truth and returned into sin. IMO.

What do you call someone who goes into false doctrine?
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Old 11-25-2007, 01:06 PM
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So are you saying those that backslide do all that. I dont think so. Maybe in a FEW cases but I think there are alot that have a love for God, They are just struggling with issues. Maybe some are hurt by others and have a hard time getting through it

just a thought

Maybe his opinions are coming from the view point of someone who simply doesn't know because they haven't been there?
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Old 11-25-2007, 01:07 PM
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Bro Steadfast - I enjoyed this thread- It was good to see the forum get back to some productive and edifying substance. I really do not feel I have any advice to add to what has already been written. I do think you can broaden the topic to those who are if not backslidden on the pew, but may be a little cool on the pew. I have been there, and many of the tenets expressed here could apply. I am thankful to a merciful God who loves us whatever condition we are in!!!!!
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Old 11-25-2007, 01:08 PM
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I respectfully disagree. The context in 2 Peter 2 speaks chiefly of carnal men leading saints astray but the last three verses is more of a generalization of anyone who has known the truth and returned into sin. IMO.

What do you call someone who goes into false doctrine?
This is a unique turn in the thread... I'm anxoius to see what discussion this genders.
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I respectfully disagree. The context in 2 Peter 2 speaks chiefly of carnal men leading saints astray but the last three verses is more of a generalization of anyone who has known the truth and returned into sin. IMO.

What do you call someone who goes into false doctrine?
A Heretic?
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