Blacks and the UPCI

PastorD · #1 12-02-2007, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by PraiseHymn

The Church Of Our Lord Jesus Christ of the Apostolic Faith is not a progressive movement (just take a look at our web page www.cooljc.org) With 550+ churches, only 10 of them have members over 1000 (with 5 of them belonging to the Chief Apostle himself). We are a one man band organization. MY Bishop (who is the Chief of the Organization) is 86 years old and everyone is just waiting for him to die. No one wants to embrace his vision at all as an organization. Everyone is wanting to change the entire organization to the point where the ones with the true standard are becoming a miniority. We use UPCI tracts and sunday school books. Its sad we dont have our own publishing house. We pull about 10,000 to 15,000 at our Holy Convocation and now only utilize arenas and colesiums when we gather BUT we still have no progression at all. Instead everyone battles over issues like women preachers (which we dont believe it) headcoverings (which we require them on women) divorce and remarriage (which we dont believe in) earrings and make up. I mean, its crazy. Its time for me to move forward as this organization thus far has no intent on reaching the world but insisit on MAJORING in the MINORS!!!!! Thats why I am ready to leave.

Why does all of this sound so familiar?

Does the UPC have more than 10 churches with 1000 or more?

Sept5SavedTeen · #2 12-02-2007, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by PastorD

Why does all of this sound so familiar?

Does the UPC have more than 10 churches with 1000 or more?

Probably, but is a church with 1000 or more a good thing?

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

PastorD · #3 12-02-2007, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen

Probably, but is a church with 1000 or more a good thing?

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

I'll probably regret this, but why would a church of 1000 not be a good thing?

Sept5SavedTeen · #4 12-02-2007, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by PastorD

I'll probably regret this, but why would a church of 1000 not be a good thing?

I'll go easy... you can't remember 1000 names! lol. No, seriously, I can't imagine the Apostles having mega-churches. I see churches taking place in homes, I see intimate groups of Christians getting together to worship and break bread. When a church gets past a few hundred a lot of that is lost, and soon one has to schedule meetings through a secretary to get an appointment with anyone in the ministry.
When a church gets too big, the right things to do, from my understanding, seems to be to start daughter works and reach out to other communities, so that others can be reached, and a simple church pattern be preserved.

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

Sept5SavedTeen · #5 12-02-2007, 08:32 PM

Even if I disagree with you, I wouldn't bash your beliefs. I'm open to learning other points of view, but this is the way I understand the Scriptures. I don't believe it's biblical for a woman to teach or usurp authority over a man, she should learn in silence and subjection. If a woman is going to do any teaching, it should be in her home with her children, or perhaps with the children of her church (before the boys become men), or an older women are permitted to teach the younger women. Other than that, I don't see Scripture authorizing women to preach in the assembly.

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

PastorD · #6 12-02-2007, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen

I'll go easy... you can't remember 1000 names! lol. No, seriously, I can't imagine the Apostles having mega-churches. I see churches taking place in homes, I see intimate groups of Christians getting together to worship and break bread. When a church gets past a few hundred a lot of that is lost, and soon one has to schedule meetings through a secretary to get an appointment with anyone in the ministry.
When a church gets too big, the right things to do, from my understanding, seems to be to start daughter works and reach out to other communities, so that others can be reached, and a simple church pattern be preserved.

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

It is easier to remember names when people don't use "Bro." to introduce themselves.

Joseph Miller · #7 12-03-2007, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen

I'll go easy... you can't remember 1000 names! lol. No, seriously, I can't imagine the Apostles having mega-churches. I see churches taking place in homes, I see intimate groups of Christians getting together to worship and break bread. When a church gets past a few hundred a lot of that is lost, and soon one has to schedule meetings through a secretary to get an appointment with anyone in the ministry.
When a church gets too big, the right things to do, from my understanding, seems to be to start daughter works and reach out to other communities, so that others can be reached, and a simple church pattern be preserved.

GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex

It is true that the early church met in homes, but there was near 70,000 in the church in Jerusalem. I would call that a MEGA CHURCH.