UPCI's Randy Hollis Throws Down the Gauntlet: The Emancipation of Isaac

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Hawkman

Maybe you don't, but I know far too many TRUE legalists in this organization. These real deal legalists have run off more children of God than liberals ever have.

Run off children of God?

Huh?

If you let a legalist get between you and God, the legalist is closer than you are.

[Encryptus]

Pastor CS,

At least in this thread we are in lockstep. :-)

It is true a pastor may wish to impose extra-Biblical standards on the congregation he leads. But he is the one who will be accountable on judgment day.

Furthermore, while we may debate the merits of those standards, rebellion against authority, those you recognize as being over you (whether pastor or organizational leaders) is sin.

To say I realize what I am signing is a lie, but you don't know what movies they watch.....

Really hard to believe that logic would come from an Apostolic pastor.

Sounds like when I correct my teenager, "But Dad everyone else is doing it"

Wonder how well that line will work in eternity?

Opps almost forgot my smiley so everyone will know this post is in the right spirit.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Encryptus

Pastor CS,

At least in this thread we are in lockstep. :-)

It is true a pastor may wish to impose extra-Biblical standards on the congregation he leads. But he is the one who will be accountable on judgment day.

Furthermore, while we may debate the merits of those standards, rebellion against authority, those you recognize as being over you (whether pastor or organizational leaders) is sin.

To say I realize what I am signing is a lie, but you don't know what movies they watch.....

Really hard to believe that logic would come from an Apostolic pastor.

Sounds like when I correct my teenager, "But Dad everyone else is doing it"

Wonder how well that line will work in eternity?

Opps almost forgot my smiley so everyone will know this post is in the right spirit.

It's nice when we can find something to agree on.

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by Encryptus

Pastor CS,

At least in this thread we are in lockstep. :-)

It is true a pastor may wish to impose extra-Biblical standards on the congregation he leads. But he is the one who will be accountable on judgment day.

Furthermore, while we may debate the merits of those standards, rebellion against authority, those you recognize as being over you (whether pastor or organizational leaders) is sin.

To say I realize what I am signing is a lie, but you don't know what movies they watch.....

Really hard to believe that logic would come from an Apostolic pastor.

Sounds like when I correct my teenager, "But Dad everyone else is doing it"

Wonder how well that line will work in eternity?

Opps almost forgot my smiley so everyone will know this post is in the right spirit.

BUMP

Why are some bragging about their defiance to their organizational superiors?

[Hawkman]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Run off children of God?

Huh?

If you let a legalist get between you and God, the legalist is closer than you are.

In a perfect world, you are so right. However our people (UPC) are taught to put so much stock in their pastor that far too many of them put him on a pedastal. When the legalist starts to beat them over the head with their legalisms it is not too hard to see how they can be run off!

Don't act like you don't have a clue. I know you are way smarter than that. Maybe you are a conservative of integrity and really do love the sheep but there are those who are what you aren't. Those men almost relish in the fact that they have been able to run someone off who dared to ask questions and didn't conform quick enough.

[staysharp]

Originally Posted by ;

In a perfect world, you are so right. However our people (UPC) are taught to put so much stock in their pastor that far too many of them put him on a ;. When the legalist starts to beat them over the head with their legalisms it is not too hard to see how they can be run off!

Don't act like you don't have a clue. I know you are way smarter than that. Maybe you are a conservative of integrity and really do love the sheep but there are those who are what you aren't. Those men almost relish in the fact that they have been able to run someone off who dared to ask questions and didn't conform quick enough.

Yep, there's the door and don't let it hit you on the way out. I know too many wonderful people who have been destroyed by the ministry. I pick up the pieces every day. I'm sure its as prevalent in other circles as well, so I certainly don't want to stereotype UCP.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by staysharp

Yep, there's the door and don't let it hit you on the way out. I know too many wonderful people who have been destroyed by the ministry. I pick up the pieces every day. I'm sure its as prevalent in other circles as well, so I certainly don't want to stereotype UCP.

LOL...

You are inviting me to leave?

Careful, you'll be guilty of spiritually abusing me.

[staysharp]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

LOL...

You are inviting me to leave?

Careful, you'll be guilty of spiritually abusing me.

If you want to, you can come join me! I am now a non-denominational, charismatic, apostolic Christian!

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by staysharp

If you want to, you can come join me! I am now a non-denominational, charismatic, apostolic Christian!

I get accused of being one of those regularly! I guess that's what you get from declaring ONLY what is in the Bible.

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

LOL...

You are inviting me to leave?

Careful, you'll be guilty of spiritually abusing me.

I am proud of you Coonskinner, this is the first admission from you that spiritual abuse does actually exist!