UPCI's Randy Hollis Throws Down the Gauntlet: The Emancipation of Isaac

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

I read this post and thought "surely Dan can't argue with this". Then I looked at the next post and found I was wrong!

DAN, what's to argue with? He's preaching Holy Ghost conviction and not a standard man made standard of modesty.

Holy Ghost conviction in most OP circles is code for disdaining frowns and peer pressure that eventually convict.

It's hooey.

What if the HG says she can wear them indefinitely ... can she w/o being marginalized"... can she minister w/ them on ... can she go to church w/ them ... can she teach Sunday School w/ them ???... or will the excuse be "we've got a dress code for ministry"

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Holy Ghost conviction in most OP circles is code for disdaining frowns and peer pressure that eventually convict.

It's hooey.

I don't believe human intimidation is what PJ was talking about.

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

I don't believe human intimidation is what PJ was talking about.

I've been around moderates long enough to know that the Holy Ghost never says its okay.

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I've been around moderates long enough to know that the Holy Ghost never says its okay.

Never says what is okay? toothpaste and floss?

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

Never says what is okay? toothpaste and floss?

Quite frankly I think God's Spirit is too busy to be dealing w/ such pettiness ... when we're so screwed up as it is.

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Quite frankly I think God's Spirit is too busy to be dealing w/ such pettiness ... when we're so screwed up as it is.

God is never to busy. Holiness in all manner of conversation is important.

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

Never says what is okay? toothpaste and floss?

Originally Posted by mizpeh

God is never to busy. Holiness in all manner of conversation is important.

Mizpeh ... your question dealt w/ toothpaste and flossing ... Hellooooo.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I've been around moderates long enough to know that the Holy Ghost never says its okay.

Dan,

My wife wears slacks. I DO NOT believe they are keeping her out of the Kingdom. The Kingdom of God is not meat and drink but righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Ghost. It is her lack of the indwelling Holy Spirit of our God that is keeping her out of the Kingdom of God. Of course that is another argument... but in keeping with this one that you insist on pursuing what I have said is my belief.

Now, this could branch out into pastoral authority and all of the other stuff you don't believe in but in this discussion, I believe that the Spirit is my guide and my personal relationship with Jesus Christ is the determining factor for me.

i posted in the CM Becton thread exactly how I feel about all of this. Go read it and find out what this meaneth.

i never would have guessed you were a self righteous judge, Dan!

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Originally Posted by philjones

Dan,

My wife wears slacks. I DO NOT believe they are keeping her out of the Kingdom. The Kingdom of God is not meat and drink but righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Ghost. It is her lack of the indwelling Holy Spirit of our God that is keeping her out of the Kingdom of God. Of course that is another argument... but in keeping with this one that you insist on pursuing what I have said is my belief.

Now, this could branch out into pastoral authority and all of the other stuff you don't believe in but in this discussion, I believe that the Spirit is my guide and my personal relationship with Jesus Christ is the determining factor for me.

i posted in the CM Becton thread exactly how I feel about all of this. Go read it and find out what this meaneth.

i never would have guessed you were a self righteous judge, Dan!

His Spirit and Word should be the guide...

and let us not forget that the Word is the revealed plan of God ...

It is as authoritative as His Spirit indwelling in us ...

What if a woman says the HG has told me it's okay ... is that a lack of the indwelling, PJ????

Would that measure up to a prescribed notion that some Spirit-filled folks use to measure the fruit of the Spirit?

I know some Spirit-filled/saturated women in slacks.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

His Spirit and Word should be the guide...

and let us not forget that the Word is the revealed plan of God ...

It is as authoritative as His Spirit indwelling in us ...

What if a woman says the HG has told me it's okay ... that a lack of the indwelling, PJ????

That is not for me to judge Dan... I have my own relationship that I am working on. I have not been placed in ministry to police others actions.

I attend a church and I will, as long as I attend that church, abide by the guidelines established by the pastoral authority of that church. I think it is Biblical to do so. Don't you?

I am reaching for souls and that does not include a dress code.

I think you just have a hard time accepting that there are folks who are not rabid one way or the other... True moderates focused on the Kingdom and not the pettiness you get caught up in. I just believe that everyone has the right to their opinions and that I can no more deny a conservative the right to teach what they interpret from scripture than I can deny you the same right. You are legalistic in that it is your way or the highway... just as legalistic as the conservatives you love to excoriate.